[3.21] Vatinas' Spiders + HoP Guardian - CI, 70K armour, 1400 ES on block, millions of DPS

Sooo.. I am trying to get the Vulnerability craft on the gloves, having such a bad luck with it.. Is the something I need to do to get it or just try and try again?
Why does OP use "despair on hit" gloves instead of "vulnerability on hit"? I know it is way cheaper, but it is comparable to the vulnerability one?
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Dobarn wrote:
End game, vulnerability

Starting / mid, despair

Despair buffs the spiders more

Once you get L21 HoP / Empower 4 / 6Link the sentinels start doing significant damage and vulnerability wins.

Either will work
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Not sure why but a Sulpher flask really seems to boost the spiders dmg by a ton. Anyone got calculations on that? What do you think Vatinas?


If an enemy is on consecrated ground, hits against them have 100% increased critical strike chance, but since out minions have a low critical strike multiplier, the damage difference is very low, so it might just be a coincidence. That being said, Bottled Faith has the added benefit of making enemies take up to 10% increased damage, which would be noticeable, is that the flask that you're using?


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OG_Ceder wrote:
Sooo.. I am trying to get the Vulnerability craft on the gloves, having such a bad luck with it.. Is the something I need to do to get it or just try and try again?


It's completely random, so unfortunately there's no way to influence it. :/ Just gotta try again...

That being said, remember you can change socket number, links, and colours once the item is corrupted, it just costs vaal orbs, so if you want to save some currency you can just quality and vaal.


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jmsmadrigal wrote:
Why does OP use "despair on hit" gloves instead of "vulnerability on hit"? I know it is way cheaper, but it is comparable to the vulnerability one?


I originally bought them because they were way cheaper (1ex instead of 15ex back then), but I ran the numbers and Despair is actually just as good as Vulnerability in terms of damage, and since I have the alternate quality on Maim (on my Cyclone) and Bloodlust (on my HoP) to inflict bleeding, I don't think I need Vulnerability for that any more. :)
More videos if anyone is interested

Regular Atziri
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuXleLXAofY

Shaper full run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnBxFeJmklU

The Eradicator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJy8jWSV1to

Pit of the Chimera full run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4m8SvOhiac

The Enslaver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Nl_-B2W_I

Sirus Awakener 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSwXJelMIlo


Shaper actually does a lot of damage to this build. Didnt really expect that so I diead once.
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Vatinas wrote:
I originally bought them because they were way cheaper (1ex instead of 15ex back then), but I ran the numbers and Despair is actually just as good as Vulnerability in terms of damage, and since I have the alternate quality on Maim (on my Cyclone) and Bloodlust (on my HoP) to inflict bleeding, I don't think I need Vulnerability for that any more. :)


So how much more damage is that with those changes?
So far the build has been one of the tankiest builds I've played. DPS was a bit weak mid mapping until I could 6 link. Sirus A8 is easy. mastermind was a joke.

I cannot overstate how bad this build is at blight. it's pretty useless at legion as well, and an underperformer in incursion. That said, it's a boss killer and a reasonably fast mapper for very little investment.

In terms of despair vs vuln, if you always have spirit offering up, despair is on pair with vuln.
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Nashiq wrote:
So far the build has been one of the tankiest builds I've played. DPS was a bit weak mid mapping until I could 6 link. Sirus A8 is easy. mastermind was a joke.

I cannot overstate how bad this build is at blight. it's pretty useless at legion as well, and an underperformer in incursion. That said, it's a boss killer and a reasonably fast mapper for very little investment.

In terms of despair vs vuln, if you always have spirit offering up, despair is on pair with vuln.


Indeed, blight and legion are pretty bad. I am selling all blight maps and the ones in maps are pretty doable. I found that by using signal prey wisely you can direct the damage to a target and in that way can focus fire but overall it's pretty mediocre for legion.

One of the big pitfalls of this build is that it's so tanky that you get overconfident and then die to a big degen or other DoT. If you really want to get high level you will have to keep playing smart and careful :)
You don’t stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing.
Hey all

I've had some horrendous luck with drops this league but loving this character.

Basically really only need the chest now but can't afford the 6W or 4R2B rolls.

What would a gem to use if I get 4R1B1G that's cheaper?

Thanks!
I recorded my A6 Sirus and again did it deathless. It's so nice to not get 1-shot there like it happened with my previous builds. Still love the build!

I did Sirus with divergent melee splash instead of melee phys so damage could have been higher but forgot to switch. Was a longer fight (over 5m) but still feels so safe to do.

If you want to check the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJK4NG2-Qyk
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