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So i made a PoB with my lvling setup, check it out, and take a look at the Note Tab in PoB

The PoB has multiple Trees based on lvl and the gem setups as well as some tips on the gear, its more for players who know a bit about lvling, not for first time lvling, as the description is brief and schematic.

https://pastebin.com/VSrghaEF
Last edited by muramiri on Jun 14, 2020, 7:30:00 AM
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muramiri wrote:
So i made a PoB with my lvling setup, check it out, and take a look at the Note Tab in PoB

The PoB has multiple Trees based on lvl and the gem setups as well as some tips on the gear, its more for players who know a bit about lvling, not for first time lvling, as the description is brief and schematic.

https://pastebin.com/VSrghaEF


Looks good!

The skills and notes are a nice addition.
Also, Kay, there is a thing related to skitterbots that i completely forgot about: Skitterbots with Bonechill plus Unbound Ailments and Sovereignty will Chill and Shock for a lot, thus increasesing the cold damage taken by target by a lot.
Chill 10% * (1+0.22+0.45+0.35+0.19) = 22.1%
Shock 15% * (1+0.22+0.35+0.19+) = 26.4%
Total 48.5% increased damage taken.

If you stack Aura Cluster Jewels (especially First Among Equals) this will go even higher
Hey Kay, I'm really enjoying your spider build as it really give a super fast clear speed in map.
Though I'm a bit hard on bossing example Sirus maybe because my specters not strong enough, and mainly we hard to use spider in boss fight.
Fast question though, do you think if I use Writhing Jar to spawn spider in boss fight would boost up the dps and the kill time?
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LightLow wrote:
Hey Kay, I'm really enjoying your spider build as it really give a super fast clear speed in map.
Though I'm a bit hard on bossing example Sirus maybe because my specters not strong enough, and mainly we hard to use spider in boss fight.
Fast question though, do you think if I use Writhing Jar to spawn spider in boss fight would boost up the dps and the kill time?


Yes, it will help quite a lot actually, but writing jar is a bit difficult to use.

GGG changed the worms a few leagues ago. Now any hit will kill them. So speaker's wreath won't stop any killing blows. You will have to practice desecrating x2 (10 corpses), spawning worms, killing worms (before any minions hit them).

You can only use the jar x2 before it is empty. When Sirus goes to invul phase, the jar will half fill.

Edit: I made S&S build after trying Spider + Writing in 3.6 and hating it. because you need to fight with support minion to kill spiders or map monsters!

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Another idea: You can just buy Devouring Diadem. Move/swap some gems to go pure spectres! The two builds are almost the same actually.

If you follow S&S exactly. Speaker Wreather has haste, Generosity + Hatred, Desecrate. So your Diadem will have Haste, Generosity + Hatred, Skitters. Make sure your spectres have 'bossing' gem combo (front page). And use wand + shield.
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Last edited by kayella on Jun 14, 2020, 12:05:35 PM
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muramiri wrote:
Also, Kay, there is a thing related to skitterbots that i completely forgot about: Skitterbots with Bonechill plus Unbound Ailments and Sovereignty will Chill and Shock for a lot, thus increasesing the cold damage taken by target by a lot.
Chill 10% * (1+0.22+0.45+0.35+0.19) = 22.1%
Shock 15% * (1+0.22+0.35+0.19+) = 26.4%
Total 48.5% increased damage taken.

If you stack Aura Cluster Jewels (especially First Among Equals) this will go even higher


I totally forgot about increased effect of shock/chill! (・・;)

Edit: ignore this. I was mistaken!

Early in league I recommend first among equals because it boosts hatred and is cheaper than precise. but didn't think about shock and chill.

So if you use first + vengeful. it is 46% hatred boost and 16% other aura. So 4x = 184% hatred and 64% other aura.

Chill 10% * (1+0.22+0.45+0.35 + 0.19 + 0.64) = 28.5%
Shock 15% * (1+0.22+0.35+0.19 + 0.64) = 36%
Total 64.5% increased damage taken.






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muramiri wrote:
So i made a PoB with my lvling setup, check it out, and take a look at the Note Tab in PoB

The PoB has multiple Trees based on lvl and the gem setups as well as some tips on the gear, its more for players who know a bit about lvling, not for first time lvling, as the description is brief and schematic.

https://pastebin.com/VSrghaEF



Interesting pathing. So you go back later to get Cruel Prep?

I like how you organised the skills.
🔰🌀✨ Video guides on youtube! https://www.youtube.com/KayGaming ✨🌀🔰
🔶🔷🔶 Kay's Summoner build guide: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3179145 🔶🔷🔶
Last edited by kayella on Jun 14, 2020, 3:21:24 PM
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kayella wrote:
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muramiri wrote:
Also, Kay, there is a thing related to skitterbots that i completely forgot about: Skitterbots with Bonechill plus Unbound Ailments and Sovereignty will Chill and Shock for a lot, thus increasesing the cold damage taken by target by a lot.
Chill 10% * (1+0.22+0.45+0.35+0.19) = 22.1%
Shock 15% * (1+0.22+0.35+0.19+) = 26.4%
Total 48.5% increased damage taken.

If you stack Aura Cluster Jewels (especially First Among Equals) this will go even higher


I totally forgot about increased effect of shock/chill! (・・;)

Early in league I recommend first among equals because it boosts hatred and is cheaper than precise. but didn't think about shock and chill.

So if you use first + vengeful. it is 46% hatred boost and 16% other aura. So 4x = 184% hatred and 64% other aura.

Chill 10% * (1+0.22+0.45+0.35 + 0.19 + 0.64) = 28.5%
Shock 15% * (1+0.22+0.35+0.19 + 0.64) = 36%
Total 64.5% increased damage taken.

Unbound Ailments supports skills that hit. Skitterbots don't hit and thus aren't supported.

Aura effect also does not work (can be checked on the offense tab of the skitterbots skill on the character sheet). My level 23 skitterbots is 22% chill/shock despite having 18% increased non-curse aura effect. It's probably because it's a minion's aura.

Bonechill works. As does increased effect of Shock/Chill (I tested by getting Crackling Speed/Arcing Blows).
Last edited by ShmooDude on Jun 14, 2020, 2:32:43 PM
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ShmooDude wrote:
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kayella wrote:
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muramiri wrote:
Also, Kay, there is a thing related to skitterbots that i completely forgot about: Skitterbots with Bonechill plus Unbound Ailments and Sovereignty will Chill and Shock for a lot, thus increasesing the cold damage taken by target by a lot.
Chill 10% * (1+0.22+0.45+0.35+0.19) = 22.1%
Shock 15% * (1+0.22+0.35+0.19+) = 26.4%
Total 48.5% increased damage taken.

If you stack Aura Cluster Jewels (especially First Among Equals) this will go even higher


I totally forgot about increased effect of shock/chill! (・・;)

Early in league I recommend first among equals because it boosts hatred and is cheaper than precise. but didn't think about shock and chill.

So if you use first + vengeful. it is 46% hatred boost and 16% other aura. So 4x = 184% hatred and 64% other aura.

Chill 10% * (1+0.22+0.45+0.35 + 0.19 + 0.64) = 28.5%
Shock 15% * (1+0.22+0.35+0.19 + 0.64) = 36%
Total 64.5% increased damage taken.



Unbound Ailments supports skills that hit. Skitterbots don't hit and thus aren't supported.

Aura effect also does not work (can be checked on the offense tab of the skitterbots skill on the character sheet). My level 23 skitterbots is 22% chill/shock despite having 18% increased non-curse aura effect. It's probably because it's a minion's aura.

Bonechill works. As does increased effect of Shock/Chill (I tested by getting Crackling Speed/Arcing Blows).


Hm... interesting, i did not pay attention to that, but you can use Hypothermia instead of Unbound for 20% extra chill effect.

And you are right about aura effect.

My bad, sorry.
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kayella wrote:
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muramiri wrote:
Also, Kay, there is a thing related to skitterbots that i completely forgot about: Skitterbots with Bonechill plus Unbound Ailments and Sovereignty will Chill and Shock for a lot, thus increasesing the cold damage taken by target by a lot.
Chill 10% * (1+0.22+0.45+0.35+0.19) = 22.1%
Shock 15% * (1+0.22+0.35+0.19+) = 26.4%
Total 48.5% increased damage taken.

If you stack Aura Cluster Jewels (especially First Among Equals) this will go even higher


I totally forgot about increased effect of shock/chill! (・・;)

Early in league I recommend first among equals because it boosts hatred and is cheaper than precise. but didn't think about shock and chill.

So if you use first + vengeful. it is 46% hatred boost and 16% other aura. So 4x = 184% hatred and 64% other aura.

Chill 10% * (1+0.22+0.45+0.35 + 0.19 + 0.64) = 28.5%
Shock 15% * (1+0.22+0.35+0.19 + 0.64) = 36%
Total 64.5% increased damage taken.



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muramiri wrote:
So i made a PoB with my lvling setup, check it out, and take a look at the Note Tab in PoB

The PoB has multiple Trees based on lvl and the gem setups as well as some tips on the gear, its more for players who know a bit about lvling, not for first time lvling, as the description is brief and schematic.

https://pastebin.com/VSrghaEF



Interesting pathing. So you go back later to get Cruel Prep?

I like how you organised the skills.


So about skitterbots, i made a mistake, as a commenter stated above, you cant use Unbound and Aura effect does not work cuz it minion's aura.

About Cruel Prep:
I choose to go for Purity of Flesh because it's closer to Spiritual Aid.
Cruel Prep, Constitution and Devotion are for later when i need more life.
I go to Cruel Prep somewhere during Act 6 to 10, when i feel like i need that +5% all res.
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kayella wrote:
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LightLow wrote:
Hey Kay, I'm really enjoying your spider build as it really give a super fast clear speed in map.
Though I'm a bit hard on bossing example Sirus maybe because my specters not strong enough, and mainly we hard to use spider in boss fight.
Fast question though, do you think if I use Writhing Jar to spawn spider in boss fight would boost up the dps and the kill time?


Yes, it will help quite a lot actually, but writing jar is a bit difficult to use.

GGG changed the worms a few leagues ago. Now any hit will kill them. So speaker's wreath won't stop any killing blows. You will have to practice desecrating x2 (10 corpses), spawning worms, killing worms (before any minions hit them).

You can only use the jar x2 before it is empty. When Sirus goes to invul phase, the jar will half fill.

Edit: I made S&S build after trying Spider + Writing in 3.6 and hating it. because you need to fight with support minion to kill spiders or map monsters!

--

Another idea: You can just buy Devouring Diadem. Move/swap some gems to go pure spectres! The two builds are almost the same actually.

If you follow S&S exactly. Speaker Wreather has haste, Generosity + Hatred, Desecrate. So your Diadem will have Haste, Generosity + Hatred, Skitters. Make sure your spectres have 'bossing' gem combo (front page). And use wand + shield.



I have a tip on writhing jar: Use Divine Ire. Hold Divine Ire down and then cast Writhing Jar. Don't let go of Divine Ire until spiders spawn. This all happens within a split second, but works 100%. Obviously, desecrate first if no corpses are nearby.

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