[3.7] LL RF Scorching Ray Guardian | 19K ES | 52k Armour|1.5 mil dps| Uber Elder & HoGM DEATHLESS

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EDMOSES wrote:

Hi guys, i feel i am doing what is required but i need an expert to maybe tell me if i am doing something wrong or to give me some gearing advice.
I don't use flasks as much as i should because i am older and slow lol.
I feel my build is solid but once it starts to take damage there is no regen or leech to save me.
Any way to improve survivability would be greatly appreciated.
Obviously helm enchant would help but seriously after about 200 runs it is not happening but that would not solve my survive problems.
Thanks.

If your character is Donone on Standard you are doing great.
Things you could change right now for a boost would be to drop the ES node above Arcane Focus and the life (now mana) node below Cruel Preparation. These should go into speccing to Elemental Overload for the 40% damage boost, you already have stormbrand linked to increased criticals to proc it. You can also replace your Cataclysm Stone and Brood Joy Jewels with Healthy Mind Jewels for an ES bump and just move jewels around because I think those jewels are some of your better. Since you have extra reduced mana reservation passives you could also drop your enlighten to level 3 for an ES bump because it would reserve more of your mana. Lastly you could also swap Discipline and Purity of Lightning for more ES.

If you wanted to drop A LOT of regen but have more ES, you could spec out of Leadership and Influence and the int nodes that get you there and take the 30 STR and INT nodes, along with the ES nodes below Deep Wisdom. You could also swap your shaper belt with recovery for an elder belt with %increased attributes and your ES boots for armor/ES boots with a good STR and INT roll. This would boost your ES a bunch but tank your regen, so idk if you'd like that. Overall you should be tanky AF so idk what exactly you are dying to.

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vladsaks wrote:

Hi!I want to respec to this build from 90 lvl summoner guardian. Can you suggest the necessary minimum to start playing this build?

IMO minimum requirements would be a solaris lorica, shaper's touch, doon cuebiyari, memory vault and prism guardian for uniques. other items should have STR/INT and resists u need. Plug yourself into Path of Building with some item changes and some auras and see if u degen or not. If you can't get a good enlighten u can drop determination to run the other 6 auras in the mean time.

I feel like it doesn't need much to start, and good gear is surprisingly cheap if u know what to look for, its mostly the Shavs, the 6 linking and the enlighten that can run up the cost.

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LAGROSSESIMONE wrote:

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TheLostTraveler wrote:

Wanted to bring up some things for discussion.
1. Grace vs Determination
2. % Increased Attributes vs Chayula/Astramentis
3. Righteous Army/Spiritual Aid
4. Guatelizi's prefix on ring from temple

We scale off of Shaper's Touch, it makes strength an amazing stat for us, it always irked me that we don't take advantage of the increased evasion rating per intelligence on it. By trading determination out for grace, I lose 25k armor or so, but gain around 10k evasion, it seems like a good trade to me, thoughts?

At the start of the league Astramentis was out of my price range. I found that shaped amulets could roll % increased attributes and snagged one for cheap, however as it stands now I think increased attribute amulets are the endgame goal of this build. I am currently wearing a three rat talisman that I think is quite good, but a shaped amulet or a greatwolf talisman can roll insane. Any thoughts on % attributes?

I decided I wanted an elder belt with increased attributes rather than a shaper belt with recovery, however I wanted to see if there were any ways to offset the reduced regen I'd incur for my stat chasing. What stood out to me was Righteous Army and Spiritual Aid. I don't have them right now, but this cluster seems like a treasure, it all becomes % damage nodes and 1% regen and opens up some alternate (often cheap) affixes on gear/gems to become valuable to us. Why don't I see them in any builds? I figure they were changed recently, but even on poe ninja I don't see anyone going for them.

Lastly I watched the only 3.6 guide on youtube about llrf and while I favored this guide's build over it, he brought up a ring mod I hadn't seen. Guatelizi's is a prefix from the incursion temple that on rings that adds flat ES and .4% ES regen per second. As I get better gear, I think a better rolled plain ring will outweigh it, but I think 2 Guatelizi rings would be a huge boon for people starting out to help with their regen or for people with excess currency to lock prefixes and try to craft a great ring. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else besides that youtube guide so thought I'd bring it up.

1. The buffs provided by Grace are mostly unconsistant in fight.
There is only 2 switchs possible for Determination if you don't feel the need of geting more armor :
- Vaal Haste, if you have enought dps, and want to make te character a more clear speed version (good for maping) ;
- Malevolence, if you want more dps (if you already feel confortable with your tankiness).

2. The situation is quite simple :
- starter/budget tier = Astramantis. It's a realy ballanced and afordable amu ;
- Mid tier/chaos res needed : Presence of Chayula. Provide a good ES boost (a bit better than Astra), and a solide Chaos res. Anti stun is good but it's not as needed as for other classe, thanks to our ascendency.
- Top tier : Talisman with %inc attribute. No discution here. And on top of this, Eyes of the Greatwolf is totaly unbeatable. Top combinaison would be : %inc attribute / %Life regen or %Global defence. %inc mana will be excellent for build that focus on mana. The only problem here is the rarity and price of those stupide things. But if you can get one for yourself, you won't come back to Chayula or anything else.

3. The problem here is that we don't have so much free skill points. And to get thems it will cost you 5 skill points for 69% inc dmg, and 1% life regen. The only area where we could consider to respect in order to get those nodes are the node that leads to Warrior's Blood. It's hard to anwser you because it's totaly depend on your level of stuff. I don't doubt that an extremly well geared can drop Warrior's Blood. But it's more or less a question of taste here. A well geared RF will drop %armor nodes for the str nodes that leads to Warrior's Blood. So droping all of this means, losing a lot of defensive stats (ES and regen). I don't know if this worth it. On top of this, +69% dmg & 1% life regen should be almost equal to a top tier jewel fossil crafted. And in the tree mostly chosen, an extra jewel should only cost 3 skill points. So personnaly I still sceptical about this solution.

4. Incursion affixe are absolutly gorgeous on the paper. But considering the chance ratio of founding one with correct stats is like droping a mirror.
This solution isn't consistent enought in my eye to build any kind of strategy in terme of gearing.
If you found one with excellent stats, go for it (vaal it if the base is awfull), but I would not expect to see one with ok stats even on trading.

In response to this I would like to add that I managed to craft a synthesis ring with 1% life regeneration as implicit.
This is absolutely amazing, better than the Incursion affix and you are not locked in to the Incursion roll but can roll your ring as you normally would afterwards.
The opportunity cost is the elemental damage implicit you would normally get from an Opal ring, but I feel the regen is more than worth it,

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TheLostTraveler wrote:

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EDMOSES wrote:

Hi guys, i feel i am doing what is required but i need an expert to maybe tell me if i am doing something wrong or to give me some gearing advice.
I don't use flasks as much as i should because i am older and slow lol.
I feel my build is solid but once it starts to take damage there is no regen or leech to save me.
Any way to improve survivability would be greatly appreciated.
Obviously helm enchant would help but seriously after about 200 runs it is not happening but that would not solve my survive problems.
Thanks.

If your character is Donone on Standard you are doing great.
Things you could change right now for a boost would be to drop the ES node above Arcane Focus and the life (now mana) node below Cruel Preparation. These should go into speccing to Elemental Overload for the 40% damage boost, you already have stormbrand linked to increased criticals to proc it. You can also replace your Cataclysm Stone and Brood Joy Jewels with Healthy Mind Jewels for an ES bump and just move jewels around because I think those jewels are some of your better. Since you have extra reduced mana reservation passives you could also drop your enlighten to level 3 for an ES bump because it would reserve more of your mana. Lastly you could also swap Discipline and Purity of Lightning for more ES.

If you wanted to drop A LOT of regen but have more ES, you could spec out of Leadership and Influence and the int nodes that get you there and take the 30 STR and INT nodes, along with the ES nodes below Deep Wisdom. You could also swap your shaper belt with recovery for an elder belt with %increased attributes and your ES boots for armor/ES boots with a good STR and INT roll. This would boost your ES a bunch but tank your regen, so idk if you'd like that. Overall you should be tanky AF so idk what exactly you are dying to.

Thanks a lot to TheLostTraveler, very concise and useful info which i have followed to a degree.
What was killing me is incursions, rifts and abyss. Mainly where i was confronted with large numbers of mobs and could not kill them quickly enough to survive. As i mentioned i am 65 so my game play is probably more of a fault than the build. Will play around with the second part of your recommendations after i try out the first part. Thanks again - really appreciated.

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Kethryweryn wrote:

I'm using malevolence instead of determination, so you can probably use whatever you want if you're ok with loosing half your armor. ;)

The righteous army/spiritual is a solid point. A level 100 tree could look something like : http://poeurl.com/cmOK for instance. With my current stuff (13.5k es at 87), it would give me 335k shaper dps with a 6L RF.

Personnaly, I only see 2 situations where I would use Malevolence as a remplacement to Determination :
- On low maping in order to upgrade my clear speed in RF without switching to a 6L setup ;
- If I had an Eye of the Greatwolf %Global defence/%inc Attribute ... I would still had 33k armor without Determination, thanks to Global defense affixe.

For minion nodes, it's more or less a question of stuff, and tastes.
Personnaly I didn't tried to see if Minion dmg buff would works on RF and SR, but it may be a soft solution to get excellent jewels without ruining yourself. But at the same time, it will cost 5 skill points, and this build does not have so much free skill point to spend here and there. So depending on your setup it might be good. Personnaly for my characters it's not a wise choice.

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EDMOSES wrote:

Hi guys, i feel i am doing what is required but i need an expert to maybe tell me if i am doing something wrong or to give me some gearing advice.
I don't use flasks as much as i should because i am older and slow lol.
I feel my build is solid but once it starts to take damage there is no regen or leech to save me.
Any way to improve survivability would be greatly appreciated.
Obviously helm enchant would help but seriously after about 200 runs it is not happening but that would not solve my survive problems.
Thanks.

Without checking on pob here what I would say from your profil :
If you have some survivability issues, I would say it's a lake of "Net life regen". A lake of net life regen is mostly because your capacity to sustain RF is mostly based on Time of Need ascendency regen.
This regen is a great help, but it should only work as a "save my ass" that you should rely only in worst situation. This means, your regen number are rooky number, you have to pump up those numbers.
To achieve this, it may cost you some ES, but it will surely greatly improve your survivability :
- Get your hands on Aura node (Influence and Leadership) ;
- Get a +2 Aura/AOE corruption Shaper's Touch (becareful to not buy a legacy version) ;
- Get proper rings (+40str/+40intel/+40ES/+40mana) first with cold or light flat dmg, second with ~ +40dex (check out how much dex you need without stating in dex in the tree).
- Get a Transcendant Mind and sock it in the slot between MoM and EE ;
- Get a %life regen corruption Memory Vault.

This should help you a lot to sustain your RF and so, to make the build way more tanky.
And also, be carefull to have 30% move speed boots at least. The best way to survive is to dodge manualy most of the hit. This build is tanky as fuck, but still it's not an immortal build.

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vladsaks wrote:

Hi!I want to respec to this build from 90 lvl summoner guardian. Can you suggest the necessary minimum to start playing this build?

Depend on your budget.
But an extremly budget version would be something like this : https://pastebin.com/jnRFF1mX

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Yendis wrote:

In response to this I would like to add that I managed to craft a synthesis ring with 1% life regeneration as implicit.
This is absolutely amazing, better than the Incursion affix and you are not locked in to the Incursion roll but can roll your ring as you normally would afterwards.
The opportunity cost is the elemental damage implicit you would normally get from an Opal ring, but I feel the regen is more than worth it,

Yeah, +1% life regen synthetis ring are quite formidable base.
Still, it fully depend on the rest of your stuff.
For my std RF, an Opal ring implicit provide me something like 4-5% more dps. So even if +1%regen is huge, somes rather prefer 4-5% more dmg.
The main problem with a synthetis ring is that we need extremly specifics stats on rings. While it's already hard to find proper rings on our owns we should add to this layer of RNG the fabrication of thoses. I don't think it's a relyable solution.

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EDMOSES wrote:

Thanks a lot to TheLostTraveler, very concise and useful info which i have followed to a degree.
What was killing me is incursions, rifts and abyss. Mainly where i was confronted with large numbers of mobs and could not kill them quickly enough to survive. As i mentioned i am 65 so my game play is probably more of a fault than the build. Will play around with the second part of your recommendations after i try out the first part. Thanks again - really appreciated.

Some unsolicited follow up advice after seeing you make some changes. That very last ES node under Deep Wisdom, the one that connects to the witch start area isn't very good, I'd swap it for Might the 30 STR node. I also see you took a 30 Dex node, if u did that for dex requirements u could swap the 10 str and int nodes that connect to Arcanist's Dominion for the 10 dex and int nodes that connect to Deep Wisdom to hit your dex requirement instead which would allow you to grab Ancestral Knowledge the 30 INT node.

Also you have a great watcher's eye, but if you ever wanted to upgrade it, the mana as extra ES is most important, so divining for 18% even if all 3 of the stat rolls went to 4% would still be an improvement.

Also life regen while affected by vitality is great, but % of maximum energy shield recovered per second while affected by discipline is about 2x as much regen, and % increased energy shield recovery rate while affected by discipline is about 3x as good. Those watcher's eyes are way out of my price range, but incase you have the budget.

Need to thank TheLostTraveler and LAGROSSESIMONE for the time and effort put in to helping me. I have been using "Phoenix" fight as a guide when changing skills as per both of your recommendations.
I must say that while i can beat that fight it is no way as easy as the OP's recorded Phoenix fight. In 1 fight i had 17700 ES and got 1 shot immediately the fight started. Build can be further improved but i think i am approaching where i need to be.
Thanks again guys.

Phoenix Guardian gives us -1% max fire res per 10% of his missing health, so he is basically our worst match up. The video I don't think has any relevant damage mods on the boss either, he is cursed with vulnerability but I'm fairly certain Phoenix only does fire damage.

I'd say bring an extra ruby flask and make sure you have one rolling if you are going to tank anything and kill him quick to avoid extra add spawns. I think he will always be tough though.

Hello everyone, i recently managed to kill uber atziri for the first time with this build (yay!) and i'm looking for some advice on how to improve it further
https://pastebin.com/rYwEqSV4 for PoB

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EDMOSES wrote:

Need to thank TheLostTraveler and LAGROSSESIMONE for the time and effort put in to helping me. I have been using "Phoenix" fight as a guide when changing skills as per both of your recommendations.
I must say that while i can beat that fight it is no way as easy as the OP's recorded Phoenix fight. In 1 fight i had 17700 ES and got 1 shot immediately the fight started. Build can be further improved but i think i am approaching where i need to be.
Thanks again guys.

In addition to what LostTraveler said, the phoenix bomb will also apply a -50 fire res in addition to the flat dmg of the explosion.
To say it simple, this boss is kind of our nemesis.

When you are cheap builded, runing the fight without RF can be sometime a way to go. But you will have to be in 6L SR setup, and your dps will be realy low in global, so it will be a long and anoying fight.

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Chrisie10101 wrote:

Hello everyone, i recently managed to kill uber atziri for the first time with this build (yay!) and i'm looking for some advice on how to improve it further
https://pastebin.com/rYwEqSV4 for PoB

You are playing an old school version of the build with a mix of zzang tree and the grind of all aura nodes. It's not a bad tree if, and only if, you have the proper Watcher Eye.
With this tree, you MUST have a clarity + 1 regen mods Watcher Eye. Otherwise, your regen will be way to low.
Missing the +1 max fire res from Barbarism cost a lot of Net life regen.

To be confortable, I would personnaly highly suggest everyone to aim a positive "Net life regen" (without temporary buff) equal to 5-10% of your max ES. Keep in mind that the more "net life regen" you have, the safer the build will be.
The guys who did Uber Elder afk had a "Net life regen" in fight (no flask buff) equal to 25% of his max ES (20k max ES and ~5-5.4k net life regen if my memory is correct).
Sometime, you will be safer by losing 1-2k ES and double your Net life regen than the contrary.

Also, keep in mind that the video showcase in this topic are outdated. Most of them were done before the move skill rework. Now our move skill are mostly slower, and it's harder to dodge manualy most of the hardest hit in end game boss fights. So you must be tanky because you will get hit time to time. And not beeing able to get out of the AOE of the U.Atziri double flameblast will resulte in an OS. Same goes for U.Elder fight. Not being able to dodge shaper bullet hell (the 3 balls) will mostly result in a rip most of the time.