[2.6] SignalShot™ CI Full Ele Conversion TS/Barrage / Shaper & Uber Deathless / with video!

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Nephalim wrote:

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Not to be rude but you seem to have randomly come out of no where, demanding guardian runs and discrediting atziri/shaper kills, and how only t16's matter? I believe that's why you haven't gotten many responses yet.

Because they don't. Very few players will ever be investing much of their playtime to shaper and even less to uber atziri. There are far better builds if you wish to grind event bosses and hover at level 92 for the entire character's career. You should post this video on your main post in addition to your uber and shaper vids for the same reason.

If someone is going to invest 1000 exalts in a build it should be exceptional in as many areas as possible.

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/118340074 - 56 second > 7 remaining Minotaur run

Thanks, this is exactly what I wanted to see. Hundreds of exalts poured into a build on a blue sea witch T16. This is the fastest T16 I've seen so far.

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These were just one off attempts, if we're really going for some land speed record I can min max the times even more.

I would very much like to see how far you can push the clear time.

You ask to see clear speed, I maximize the roll for that purpose and you leave a snarky remark? Did you spend any time looking at the vod seeing a 1:07 fully rolled hydra run? 1:04 zero remaining minotaur fully rolled? No?

I merely showed you the fastest run out a small session this afternoon per your request to see t16's. Also where's the list you mentioned? Criteria? Movement skill builds vs ones that don't? You intentionally skipped that part of the post you quoted. Why?

You are being defensive or over read into my comment. I am not here to disparage your build or the investment you put it in like apparently many others before me if your response to me asking for a T16 run was such. You have already succinctly proven the validity and strength of the build. The baseline map roll you choose is not important. I doubt your clear time would be much less on an average map roll. A few seconds added or subtracted does not take away from the fact.

Short of respecing down to 6,000 ES in favor of ES or using blood rage when you clearly would not naturally use it, I do not see anything wrong with what you posted.

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Also where's the list you mentioned? Criteria? Movement skill builds vs ones that don't? You intentionally skipped that part of the post you quoted. Why?

It's a short list of builds that have managed to clear a T16 map in under 1:30. So far there are only 5 or so. Budget is not considered because there is no way to get people to agree how expensive something is - short of extreme cases where mirrored gear is involved. So there is no criteria other than clear time and a reasonable amount of defensive capability to remove glass cannon cheese runners who get pathetically one shot anytime mino swings his axe.

Retch slayer
HoWA CI non crit
Abberoth VRF elemetalist
VRF cospri discharge
and yours

I don't understand the question. Are you saying builds with movement skills are at an advantage over skills that just sprint?

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Nephalim wrote:

You are being defensive or over read into my comment. I am not here to disparage your build or the investment you put it in like many others before me. You have already succinctly proven the validity and strength of the build. The baseline map roll you choose is not important. I doubt your clear time would be much less on an average map roll. A few seconds added or subtracted does not take away from the fact.

Short of respecing down to 6,000 ES in favor of ES or using blood rage when you clearly would not naturally use it, I do not see anything wrong with what you posted.

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Also where's the list you mentioned? Criteria? Movement skill builds vs ones that don't? You intentionally skipped that part of the post you quoted. Why?

It's a short list of builds that have managed to clear a T16 map in under 1:30. So far there are only 6. Budget is not considered because there is no way to get people to agree how expensive something is short of extreme cases where mirrored gear is involved. So there is no criteria other than clear time and a reasonable amount of defensive capability to remove glass cannon cheese runners.

Retch
HoWA
Abberoth
Vaal RF cospri
and yours

I don't understand the question. Are you saying builds with movement skills are at an advantage over skills that just sprint?

You might also become defensive when asked for a clear speed demo. You provide said demo promptly with a maximized map roll for speed and greeted with " 100's of exalts for a blue t16 sea witches map" remark. Clearly you can see how this could be taken to be offensive. No?

The gorge clear speed times thread back in the day were run white with a less than 10 remaining rule. Since you provided no criteria that's what I based a clear speed demo on.

I'm in the process of reinstalling Sony Vegas and recording all 4 guardian runs (fully rolled) to make a compilation for easy access of this builds t16 performance. Should be up by this time tomorrow.

Anyways, your list looks solid so far, but maybe set down some sort of requirement for the map runs you're judging them on? Rolled? White? Headhunter allowed? What guardian map?

Also the lack of a movement skill plays a large roll in clear speed, high MS can only do so much vs a highly invested shield charge or whirling blades.

Depending on how large your "list" becomes, you could easily make the argument of categorizing builds via cost/movement etc. It was managed just fine in the gorge speed run thread but with a larger build pool.

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You might also become defensive when asked for a clear speed demo. You provide said demo promptly with a maximized map roll for speed and greeted with " 100's of exalts for a blue t16 sea witches map" remark. Clearly you can see how this could be taken to be offensive. No?

Clear speed is the most meaningful metric in this game so all my build threads have nothing but T16 clear vids but point noted.

Would you do me a favor and also post a complete gear set for the 57 second mino run? I have gone through your initial post but I can not actually tell what gear you are using at any given time outside of your weapon and boots.

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Anyways, your list looks solid so far, but maybe set down some sort of requirement for the map runs you're judging them on? Rolled? White? Headhunter allowed? What guardian map?

Also the lack of a movement skill plays a large roll in clear speed, high MS can only do so much vs a highly invested shield charge or whirling blades.

Depending on how large your "list" becomes, you could easily make the argument of categorizing builds via cost/movement etc. It was managed just fine in the gorge speed run thread but with a larger build pool.

The map can be rolled as anything, if people feel more comfortable running white maps or average difficulty rare maps or blue sea witch maps it does not matter. HH does not matter either. The more you try to confine builds the more rage and disagreement occurs and you get situations where people mutilate their builds so bad for the sake of winning an internet contest that the point gets lost. The old gorge videos with pre nerf low life crown of eyes builds with 4,000 ES using blood rage is prime example of clear speed gone wrong.

This highlights it perfectly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR9cnZ-NsEA

At the completion of the list I will consider splitting it into cost tiers if for some reason the cheapest thing on the list is magnitudes cheaper than the most expensive despite clear times being similar.

This is not meant as a dick swinging contest. I do not care of Build A is 5 seconds faster than Build B. It serves as a list of top tier builds for people to analyze and potentially replicate and optimize. Build optimization is what I find most fun in this game and most players express this by wanting to build the strongest most opie at the moment.

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Also the lack of a movement skill plays a large roll in clear speed, high MS can only do so much vs a highly invested shield charge or whirling blades.

That is the thing though, the fastest clear times I've seen so far are from sprinters but obviously I have not seen every build in existence for the current patch. If you know a non sprinter build faster than 57 to 70 seconds I would like to know.

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Nephalim wrote:

Because they don't. Very few players will ever be investing much of their playtime to shaper and even less to uber atziri. There are far better builds if you wish to grind event bosses and hover at level 92 for the entire character's career. You should post this video on your main post in addition to your uber and shaper vids for the same reason.

If they aren't investing much of their play time into shaper and atziri than this build probably isn't for them anyway as they probably do not have the currency needed, and if they are only looking at map clearing there are probably more cost efficient builds used for just clearing only(just as there is for boss killing).

Your logic is flawed and you constantly contradict yourself, so stop trolling/baiting.

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lolheretic wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

Because they don't. Very few players will ever be investing much of their playtime to shaper and even less to uber atziri. There are far better builds if you wish to grind event bosses and hover at level 92 for the entire character's career. You should post this video on your main post in addition to your uber and shaper vids for the same reason.

If they aren't investing much of their play time into shaper and atziri than this build probably isn't for them anyway as they probably do not have the currency needed, and if they are only looking at map clearing there are probably more cost efficient builds used for just clearing only(just as there is for boss killing).

Your logic is flawed and you constantly contradict yourself, so stop trolling/baiting.

There are other ways to make currency outside of grinding event bosses believe it or not and by your logic there are much better builds than this for grinding event bosses which would imply this build is good for nothing unless you have 60 exalts lying around. That's rather insulting to the build.

Clearly, I've overstayed my welcome here. Thanks for your invaluable input.

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There are other ways to make currency outside of grinding event bosses believe it or not and by your logic there are much better builds than this for grinding event bosses which would imply this build is good for nothing unless you have 60 exalts lying around. That's rather insulting to the build.

well, as someone having 1500ex+ gear and equal worth of items in my stash, all my "wealth" is made by item flipping, by using other peoples greed to feed my greed, fulfill my goals. people who are 6ex short to buy a new 20ex item, sold their 8ex items for 6ex. this is the hesistation, greed, desire for a quick upgrade of others that made me rich.

everybody should play the build they like, it doesnt matter how efficient a build is, how fast it clears gorge or whatever.

it's funny, falling in love and falling in love with a build is very close to each other. falling in love with a build is not the reason you play a build, it is a result because you wanna play a build, you want to enjoy path of exile.

do you fall in love with a girl who has the best body, who is the most intelligent, most self-conscious? you, of course aim for such girl, but no, you just fall in love with one because you want to. you need to. you want to enjoy that feeling and stop looking for the best but just fall in love. You want to play a bow build, because you feel like it, you like that playstyle. you want to play barrage because you feel like it. when you think about it, it sounds fun. when y ou watch a bow-barrage video you feel like... oh i'd enjoy this and you start playing it. this applies to any other build out there. this is how we choose a build if we are playing ofr fun. if you are not playing for fun, do item flipping. get rich. get 50ex+ profit like i did in the past.

putting everything to analytical ground and comparing everything bit by bit. who carees man, it is just a game. if there are better clear speed builds out there, good luck i wish more power and glory to you. Though, Inashesthenflames i know him since long time, and he always like to play with fastest map clearer - highest dps builds, if he has chosen this build over others, i think we are on the right direction.

if you wanna play barrage and bow, we welcome everyone here to speak about this build, they can come with their improvements in their mind, ideas, problems they are having... we would like to talk about them.

I believe this is the best barrage - bow build, if somebody has something to say against, i'd like to hear it. we can talk about it, and learn new things.

1 minute 8 second Minotaur run on BSC with 4 remaining. No mirror level gear. No legacy flasks or anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-4BWbuVKNM

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Nephalim wrote:

There are other ways to make currency outside of grinding event bosses believe it or not and by your logic there are much better builds than this for grinding event bosses which would imply this build is good for nothing unless you have 60 exalts lying around. That's rather insulting to the build.

Clearly, I've overstayed my welcome here. Thanks for your invaluable input.

Such an elaborate troll.

On a side note. Havent played Signalshot for a few days. Did they recently change how tooltip was calculated? My tooltip only shows up at 90k now with flasks up in hideout rather than 150k