twitch streamers conspire to nerf casual players

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Nubatron#4333 wrote:

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gr0o0ve#1473 wrote:

Do we have any games in the last decade that stuck to it's dedicated player base as much as PoE? Trying to think, most games seem to turn into corporate slop that listens to the fairweather customers over it's original base.

The other question would be can and will casuals provide valuable feedback? Casuals by nature won't bother thinking deeper and just move onto the other flavour of the month.

Conflating casual with fair weather players is a mistake. There are players here that play when they can which isn't often, but have been here just as long as you and I.

Casuals provide feedback from the perspective of a casual. That's always valuable. Just like feedback from non-casuals is.

GGG can do what they like with that feedback.

sorry for the double post,

But this is a fantastic point. Anyone can give criticism, even a layman. They may not know Why something doesn't feel right but they can still tell if something is wrong.

It's on the devs to interpret that criticism and find the actual problem there. The input of casuals for ex. can give insight into how intuitive the game is or if people in general are having fun. It is entirely possible to focus too deeply on competitive play at the expense of your larger player base and that can and does kill games.

It's also a large part of why poe2 has put a lot of effort into lowering that barrier of entry for casual play. Being able to pick up the game quickly, having a fun gameplay loop from the start, things like controller support etc. etc.

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Rocketman_RL#0646 wrote:

It's also a large part of why poe2 has put a lot of effort into lowering that barrier of entry for casual play. Being able to pick up the game quickly, having a fun gameplay loop from the start, things like controller support etc. etc.

Slightly off-topic, i find this so weird and I'm not sure why. From my perspective PoE2 has a worse overall introduction and campaign experience than PoE1, yet we see the inverse with numbers. Maybe the mountain that is PoE1 scares off many players, if this holds true then at some point i wonder if PoE2 will lose those same players.


Probably why i wanted to call the group fairweather customers, following trends etc and not adding to the depth of developement. You are right in that even someone whos never played PoE might have a gem of insight and mark did talk about this in one of his latest interviews.

Well I can aknowledge that some poeple, they might be streamers also, are gatekeeping critical information while advertising some build/strategy to exploit it or profit from it, but there are some everyday streamers that are casual players. Not elites. not conspiracists, no harcore mindless grind 20hours per day. I watch from time to time a guy in youtube named HeavyHeals. He is chill and casual and his steam audience is prety casual players too. Maybe you should check other streamers, they defently exist.

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gr0o0ve#1473 wrote:

Slightly off-topic, i find this so weird and I'm not sure why. From my perspective PoE2 has a worse overall introduction and campaign experience than PoE1, yet we see the inverse with numbers. Maybe the mountain that is PoE1 scares off many players, if this holds true then at some point i wonder if PoE2 will lose those same players.

If you are refering to poe2 steam charts for the numbers you have to remember that poe2 early acces unlike poe1 doesn't have a sepperate chinese client, so the numbers are difficult to compare.

Release the Streamer Files!

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Spacecom#5362 wrote:

Well I can aknowledge that some poeple, they might be streamers also, are gatekeeping critical information while advertising some build/strategy to exploit it or profit from it, but there are some everyday streamers that are casual players. Not elites. not conspiracists, no harcore mindless grind 20hours per day. I watch from time to time a guy in youtube named HeavyHeals. He is chill and casual and his steam audience is prety casual players too. Maybe you should check other streamers, they defently exist.

how do you even find these more casual ones? The youtubz seems to hard peddle the bigger tuberz. My feed does not break through the algorithm noise...

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Bosscannon#3325 wrote:

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Spacecom#5362 wrote:

Well I can aknowledge that some poeple, they might be streamers also, are gatekeeping critical information while advertising some build/strategy to exploit it or profit from it, but there are some everyday streamers that are casual players. Not elites. not conspiracists, no harcore mindless grind 20hours per day. I watch from time to time a guy in youtube named HeavyHeals. He is chill and casual and his steam audience is prety casual players too. Maybe you should check other streamers, they defently exist.

how do you even find these more casual ones? The youtubz seems to hard peddle the bigger tuberz. My feed does not break through the algorithm noise...

well in twitch and in youtube too i think , you can both search streams by game. Twitch at the left side of the screen shows some suggestions from the same game or similar games/interests. You can browse.

I wouldn't say it's a conspiracy by streamers, exactly.

But by the top tier players hoarding the drops from content they trivialize but the greater majority of the player base would never reach? Oh, you BETCHA, 1000%

They don't want the unwashed rabble to have access to those magic money dumps, they want to suck the game economy dry and crow about how much better they are than the Real Lifer casuals who can't dedicate 12 hours a day to farming, or firing up half a dozen hot boxes to bot away.

I've played this game long enough, I can 'trivialize' uber content as well. But get decent drops? Never on my accounts. I've been plugging away since Talisman league and have never seen a mirror drop, or even gotten many shards from becoming a gold slave to run shipping.

I don't have a PhD in PoE, and that's what is required to make the game pay out.

It's always the newer players.