Performance is getting worse with every patch

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Ah yes, because streamers and content creators are definitely the majority of people. More proof that you need a streamer PC to play this game I guess. Thanks for perfectly proving my point.

That's not what was said. You make a claim and state that even high end pc's struggle and have performance issues with this game. I said if that were true, then you'd see it all over on Twitch and YouTube - which, evidently, isn't the case.

The few threads you're seeing on the forums are nothing in the grand scale. Players who are actively posting complains on the forums and reddit are the minority, a fraction of the actual playerbase. This is true for every game there is and also a objective fact.

If performance was as bad as you make it out to be, there would be media coverage. We'd get hotfixes left and right.

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Celestriad#0304 wrote:

Pashid has a good pc, so do I. Streamers and Youtubers have good pc's, most people who just play the game without complaining on the forums have average to good pc's.

A good PC, for good gaming quality, so you know it's good~

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

The proof is all the people with good PCs still having performance issues,crashes etc. all of those posts are in the forums omegalul

What you’re saying isn’t proof unless you can provide actual evidence, best case a post by GGG, so you know it’s a truthful source, not just a tiny minority of posts on the forum.
If performance issues were hitting everyone, the game would be absolutely on fire and flood every corner of the internet and the devs would push out one big hotfix after another.

But nah, the actual majority isn’t having problems, they’re not running weak entry level or outdated hardware, and they don't hit rare cases like corrupted files, system errors, or hardware faults. People with good PCs aren’t struggling, they’re too busy actually playing and not waste time complaining about something that’s working.

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Also stop calling people's PC's insulting things like "entry level" or "landfiller rigs", that's toxic. And its rude to people who can't just "buy a new PC bro".

Entry level is just the term used for the most basic or lower tier option. It’s basically the minimum needed to get started with something and describes the cheapest or least powerful version.
Even a brand new PC can be entry level if it’s the lowest model.

That’s why people always recommend to keep your hardware reasonably up to date, so you can enjoy modern games and avoid issues like the one you’re experiencing, where older components can’t keep up with more demanding games and end up limiting performance.

Most people suggest going for a future proof setup so you can upgrade small parts over time instead of going for a new PC once your PC begins to lack power. Entry level hardware from ten years ago was not very future proof and did not leave much room for upgrades. It also did not age well either. So I can see why some people call parts from that time landfill filler since they often end up useless once they are replaced. So yes, it is time to buy a new PC buddy :)

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

So yes, it is time to buy a new PC buddy :)

Yep, it's time for me to ask the people around me to buy me a free PC as a gift indeed. That's what I'm gonna do.

In theory, you could have a brand new entry- to mid-range gaming PC up and running within 2–3 weeks from today, if you actually wanted a better performing system and improved gaming experience. There are plenty of options available right now that are entirely achievable, affordable, and just waiting for you, no insane waiting times or real-life RNG required.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

There are plenty of options available right now that are entirely achievable, affordable, and just waiting for you, no insane waiting times or real-life RNG required.

Nope, I'll do it my way. Waiting is fine.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Nope, I'll do it my way. Waiting is fine.

Well, waiting will not improve your current setup, and it will not magically fix your performance issues in PoE caused by your hardware. It will only continue to perform worse the longer you delay an upgrade. The sooner you treat yourself to a proper setup, the sooner you can enjoy games without performance issues caused by hardware limitations.

Given how affordable components have become, a solid mid range PC is easily within reach. For example, around $2000 can already secure a capable build for most gaming needs. That is entirely achievable for someone who genuinely wants a quality experience, rather than an entry level system that struggles early and tends to age poorly.

If you use it for 5 years at roughly 15 hours a day, you are looking at about 7.3 cents per hour. After that, adding roughly $800 in upgrades and extending its life by another 4 years brings the total to 9 years of use, lowering the cost to approximately 5.7 cents per hour.

That is already an extremely low cost for the amount of entertainment and enjoyment provided.

If gaming is your hobby and passion, choosing a good setup becomes almost obvious when the cost per hour is this low. You are going to spend the time anyway, so it makes sense to actually enjoy it.

If you want to take it even further, a high end setup in the range of $3000 to $5000 with a nice new monitor to further enhance the experience with a fresh shiny system, still only comes out to roughly 6.1 to 10.1 cents per hour over the same usage period.

At that point it almost feels like you are bending the rules of entertainment value itself. You are getting thousands upon thousands of hours of high quality experiences, and each additional hour quietly lowers the effective cost even further until it starts to feel almost unreal.

Even if you only play 4 to 5 hours a day or less because of work or other responsibilities, the value still holds up extremely well. You are simply spreading the initial investment over a longer period, while getting even more enjoyment out of every hour. No matter how you look at it, this becomes one of those rare purchases where the more you use it, the more justified it feels, and the better the value becomes over time. :)

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

Given how affordable components have become, a solid mid range PC is easily within reach. For example, around $2000

Saying this to someone like me who lives in the EU, and is also a NEET.

Nah, I'll continue with my lifestyle, which I am very proud of, and do things my own way.

Until then, I can keep enjoying the games that are optimized and run well on my current PC, which I have lots of because my friends keep gifting me games on Steam :)

Still doesn't mean I won't keep giving my feedback about PoE's lack of optimization anytime someone in the community voices their disappointment with it. I sympathize with all the people having shader,loading time and other problems like random unexplained crashing/errors because I know how bad it is. Those are all problems with the game.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Saying this to someone like me who lives in the EU, and is also a NEET.

I don’t quite see how this would make any meaningful difference, as PC components are every bit as readily available and accessible in the EU as they are in the US.

Well, I suppose the only real distinction is that $2000 translates to roughly €1700, which is still quite achievable and solid, especially if your main interest is getting a nice PC.
It is often just a matter of a few weeks to a couple of months of saving, depending on your situation, to put together something genuinely solid and enjoy a noticeably better gaming experience.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Nah, I'll continue with my lifestyle, which I am very proud of, and do things my own way.

You could easily end up as the very proud owner of a solid new system that noticeably improves your gaming experience, which can be a pretty worthwhile investment if gaming is your hobby, passion, and part of your lifestyle.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Still doesn't mean I won't keep giving my feedback about PoE's lack of optimization anytime someone in the community voices their disappointment with it. I sympathize with all the people having shader,loading time and other problems like random unexplained crashing/errors because I know how bad it is. Those are all problems with the game.

No Toffy, the game is generally well optimized, as you’ve already been told a couple of times now. In most cases like this, it really comes down to hardware not quite keeping up with what the game demands. PoE is quite CPU intensive, and older entry level processors tend to struggle with it over time, especially when paired with GPUs like the 1050 Ti, which are also showing their age in terms of VRAM and overall performance.

We all know it, you know it, and GGG knows it the limiting factor here is the hardware.

That being said, we can still empathize with people running into these issues due to hardware limitations. But it never hurts to let go a little gaming is a hobby after all and treat yourself to something nice, especially when outdated hardware turns what should be a fun experience into a frustrating one. As a community, we can help point people toward sensible upgrade paths and decent parts, and also help those who are not as familiar with hardware make informed decisions, so they do not end up spending their few euros on something they will likely regret shortly after.

If there are genuine concerns about the game being at fault, or if you are unsure and feel it is the game causing the issue, you are welcome to share any concrete and insightful information, ideally something directly from GGG stating they are currently working on hotfixes for a specific issue. Especially in cases where something has already been improved or adjusted a couple of leagues ago and has since been working well for the majority of players, it is worth double checking whether it is actually a game issue or simply hardware limitations.

It could also be useful feedback to suggest that GGG revisit their stated hardware requirements on Steam, as clearer guidance there would help set expectations. We have already seen the game run well on devices like the Steam Deck, so that level of performance could arguably be considered a practical baseline reference, with anything below it likely to run into the kinds of issues being described. If anyone needs help interpreting that or navigating hardware choices, the community is here to help, since some of those part names can look pretty intimidating if you are not familiar with PC building.

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Celestriad#0304 wrote:

Last Epoch runs bad in a lot of scenarios, especially the endgame. The act 10 tileset and juiced Omen encounters bring a 4090 down to 40fps at 4k.

Last evening I was running Omen's Veil, the echo with three simultaneous breaches, which is essentially endgame-level content for anyone unfamiliar with the game, on my Spellblade, and it really drove something home.

The performance absolutely tanked. We’re talking heavy FPS drops even on what is essentially the best gaming hardware currently available, which is not something I’d call optimized. I even dropped the resolution down to 1080p just for the sake of testing, and the performance hit was still significant. When you stop and consider what that experience must be like for players on weaker systems, it starts to feel less like a minor issue and more like a serious imbalance.

At that point, it just feels like seriously unoptimized performance, and it’s hard not to notice that the focus seems to be elsewhere.

The last act tileset issue is also a good example of how little EHG seems to care about consistent performance problems across all levels of hardware. It’s been present since the last season, when those tilesets were introduced, and even after several months and the launch of a new season, nothing has really changed. While it’s still manageable on more powerful hardware, it raises a bigger question about how the game performs for players on weaker systems, especially those who already have to run the game on low settings just to get somewhat acceptable FPS.

By comparison, when I jump into PoE with any of my fully decked-out characters loaded with excessive particle effects and flashy MTX and run similarly chaotic content like Breach or Hive Fortress encounters, the performance remains pretty stable, even with all those new fancy particles and assets the devs share across both games for convenience. It's almost like the developers actually know what they’re doing on a technical level. It’s the same engine after all, so repurposing work between titles obviously isn’t going to break anything, and the idea that those shared assets are what’s causing issues comes off as a fundamental misunderstanding of how assets and the underlying technical structure of games actually work in general.

And when something does go wrong, it’s typically an unintentional issue somewhere else entirely, usually the kind of thing that can slip through during patch work or oversight in bigger releases, especially when a new league introduces a problem that affects everyone and is tied to the patch itself rather than individual hardware limitations. GGG tends to respond quickly with a same-day hotfix, or at the very least within a few days if it happens to land on a weekend or holiday.

So while Last Epoch may look well optimized on paper, in practice it doesn’t really hold up under pressure.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

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Celestriad#0304 wrote:

Last Epoch runs bad in a lot of scenarios, especially the endgame. The act 10 tileset and juiced Omen encounters bring a 4090 down to 40fps at 4k.

Last evening I was running Omen's Veil, the echo with three simultaneous breaches, which is essentially endgame-level content for anyone unfamiliar with the game, on my Spellblade, and it really drove something home.

The performance absolutely tanked. We’re talking heavy FPS drops even on what is essentially the best gaming hardware currently available, which is not something I’d call optimized.

My experience has been pretty much the same. The game clearly pushes you to activate all three omens/breaches at once to maximize rewards, but the performance just doesn’t hold up when you do.

It’s kind of absurd that I can run about 90% of the game at 4K 120Hz without issues, yet these specific scenarios drop me to around 40 FPS. Coming from 120, that drop feels really rough—even more so considering I’m playing a Judgement Aura Paladin, which barely adds any visual clutter itself.

What’s more confusing is that my hardware isn’t even being fully utilized in those moments. My 7800X3D and RTX 4090 are barely breaking a sweat while the game struggles. That suggests it’s not a raw hardware limitation.

I could blame the Unity engine, but that’s probably oversimplifying things since we don’t really know the details of EHG’s implementation. Still, it’s hard to call the game “well optimized” in its current state, despite what some people say.

For comparison, both PoE 1 and PoE 2 run significantly smoother for me. I really have to push my maps hard before I see dips below 90 FPS there.