Please Avoid Overly Complicated League Mechanics Going Forward

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Timmy2000#0228 wrote:

There were no other farming strategies allowing to keep up with this.

People were posting whole recipes about how they made bank with no temple. I'm talking in-depth with lots of detail. I did notice that not many in trade seemed to care. I cared, because that advice was great for SSF players also, not just trade players.

Your posts do seem like good feedback for GGG, because you seem to be saying that players without farming skill would stop playing instead of experimenting or doing research on how other people were succeeding.

I don't think you have to worry. POE1 has a mix of more complicated mechanics and also simple grinds. They have to be careful not to make POE2 too mind numbingly easy or players will literally fall asleep at their keyboards.

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 wrote:

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Timmy2000#0228 wrote:

There were no other farming strategies allowing to keep up with this.

People were posting whole recipes about how they made bank with no temple. I'm talking in-depth with lots of detail. I did notice that not many in trade seemed to care. I cared, because that advice was great for SSF players also, not just trade players.

Your posts do seem like good feedback for GGG, because you seem to be saying that players without farming skill would stop playing instead of experimenting or doing research on how other people were succeeding.

Do you work for ggg ?

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Timmy2000#0228 wrote:

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 wrote:

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Timmy2000#0228 wrote:

There were no other farming strategies allowing to keep up with this.

People were posting whole recipes about how they made bank with no temple. I'm talking in-depth with lots of detail. I did notice that not many in trade seemed to care. I cared, because that advice was great for SSF players also, not just trade players.

Your posts do seem like good feedback for GGG, because you seem to be saying that players without farming skill would stop playing instead of experimenting or doing research on how other people were succeeding.

Do you work for ggg ?

No. And if you think I'm defending GGG, you're mistaken. The Vaal Temple created a huge skill cost to trade league success. You either needed a lot of skill or a lot of time, so a lot of people with no time felt burned, because they didn't realize it was possible to develop skill that would help. Misfire by the game designers. I think a video like Build of the Week that showed someone who made a lot of currency without doing the temple would have helped a lot.

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 wrote:

No. And if you think I'm defending GGG, you're mistaken. The Vaal Temple created a huge skill cost to trade league success. You either needed a lot of skill or a lot of time, so a lot of people with no time felt burned, because they didn't realize it was possible to develop skill that would help. Misfire by the game designers. I think a video like Build of the Week that showed someone who made a lot of currency without doing the temple would have helped a lot.

I dont think you have proper understaning how trade league went and you are wrong about other methoods effectivness compared to temple

Things you describe maybe worked well for ok for some limited time, day or two and after everyone saw it on YT market adjusted to make it less profitable. And even at the beggining it was more of a piggy bank compared to snake fort knox

Some required really strong chars like abyss omen of light, geting rares out of dark cloud. Tried that one, without some decent combination of scalling, inc efeectivness and or spirits I was only dropping echoes. More spending on unique tablets than profit outside this fresh scoop window.


Forced into 1 goat over complicated thing or constanlty beeing glued to YT researching to find some temporary gain and rush to play the game, for medicore gain compared to goat ?

I would rather have balnce in what I can choose to do and profit from with some parrity between them.

If overcomplicated can't be planned well I rather have it made simpler.

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XxxPssySlayerxxX#5201 wrote:

2k+ hours and you think you get 3 crystals per map? XD you don’t ever farm crystals do you?

You dont ever do T15 6 mods map do you? XD

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Timmy2000#0228 wrote:

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 wrote:

Multiple people posted here about their non-temple farming strategies, saying it was one of the best leagues ever. I'm telling you what I read, and why I believed them.

Looks as though Expedition Logbooks are 1 div each right now. Runic splinters are cheaper.

What non-temple farming strategies did you try?

I quit soon after new years.


Snakers sky rocketed prices too fast. Doing atlas is a joke, to me game is about running in 6 man on most challenging mechanics, that wasnt possible without high end gear.

And these parties were just rushing through through naked maps anyway. Do not waste time on maps just split and find cristals and then do 100 div temple. There were no other farming strategies allowing to keep up with this.

To me devs clearly made multiple mistakes that completely broke this league economy, making it simpler will be safer bet to avoid that mine field in next mechanic.

So, you quit over a month ago, ignore everything people who are currently playing tell you... and think you're right?

This is far too common with leagues. Streamer shows a really good strat, lemmings flock to it. Prices go up, lemmings whine. Smart people farm the things that strat does not produce, they make as much or more than those running "the strat".

Was it really as any other league or multi x levels steroids more than usuall ?


Yes I'm ignoring SSF player that has absolute no idea what he's talking about as he wasnt competing on trade market.

I identify majority of players thinking "I made bank doing x not the temple" as not serious

super long and tiresome gamba luck / requiring specific or strong build / Clickbaity social media content / strat working for very short time window / thinking its bank compared to previous league but piggy bank really compared to snake fort knox, not enough to battle inflation pace it created


I've seen high level temples on my own gameplay screen, seen how much they dropped, seen my lvl going from 97 > 98 in 3-4 temple runs and how fast it took to adhd farm cristals on naked map runs to run it 10 times again.

I know there was no other stuff capable of competing with it at that time. Claming opposite is clownish.


Back to thread topic. If I must be forced to do overpowered, overcomplicated exploit mechanics that I must study for on regular basis, if I must do something I dont like it or be stuck with progression ya I rather not play.

And I rather have devs to not repeat it in future and make league mechanic less complicated if they cant have reliable handle on their exploitativeness to not completely game break economy.

Said what I needed dont see a point to argue with black is not black but white & rewriting history

In dont think complicated is an issue if its explained well.

Slaying monsters should be the main activity, if something else is far more rewarding than that, its not a classical ARPG anymore, because A=ACTION not reading guides etc.

I mean I have seen a good junk of mechanics in POE; like the old syndicate where you needed a cheat sheet to figure out which constellation is giving what. But normally you dont pick an ARPG to make a science out of it...