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I'm actually surprised at the changes GGG is making thus far. I didn't think they had it in them, or knew what they had to do to make PoE 2 it's own distinct game. Rather than just making it PoE 1 remastered (Same game with a different coat of paint).
There are still many balance changes and game changes that need to be made imo. I feel player speed/power and monster speed/power will prolly still be really high. Bosses will prolly still die in 2 seconds, etc, but one step at a time.
So the ultimate question remains: Will GGG continue to make PoE 2 into it's own game or will they bow down to the "Just make PoE 2 into PoE 1 remastered" camp?
0.4 Launches tomorrow. As is tradition, certain streamers, and the usual suspects on reddit/official forum will run their usual doom and gloom rounds.
- Streamers (won't say names) will make content about how the game is headed in the wrong direction, and GGG needs to return it to what it was (aka more like PoE 1)
- Reddit/forum users and streamers will talk about how every map is a walking simulator cause every inch of the map isn't filled with monsters they can chain reaction explosions on.
- They will say "Loot doesn't drop anymore. Loot was stealth nerfed and EVERYTHING IS GARBAGE"
- They will talk about how it takes them 5 minutes to kill 3 white monsters.
- They will bombard steam reviews with " MOSTLY NEGATIVE" to really make GGG understand that there is only 1 way an Arpg can be made in the current year (Zoom zoom 200ms 1 click nuke 2 screens).
- They will shout about how EVERYTHING IS A SLOG, CLUNKY, AND UNPLAYABLE. They will proclaim the only way the game can be salvaged is if GGG returns to zoom zoom 1 button clicker. Their go to for everything they don't like is "CLUNKY". This is code word for "make it faster", "Speed it up".
- They will claim the game will die unless GGG takes back EVERY CHANGE THEY'VE MADE.
- Certain streamers (if you watch PoE on twitch you already know who) will try to use their base to rally against GGG and really "stick it to them" lol.
and many more.
All of this will happen within 1 week of launch, coming from streamers, "content creator", and the usual forum suspects (reddit/official). It's pretty much par the course at this point.
Will GGG cave to this mob and "realize the error of their ways". Quickly reverting all their changes and return PoE 2 on path to be PoE 1 remastered. Or will they tell those screaming the loudest that "The game they are looking for already exist. It's PoE 1".
Overall I must say that I'm surprised. Looking at GGG's history the past couple years I would not have expected them to do this. Will they stay the course and continue with the changes or revert back to PoE 1 remastered. Only time will tell I guess.
Based on Ziggy gameplay game is again - even more easier. I guess GGG gived up on the methodical combat and end-game is about clicking one skill. On his gameplay there was no challenge or moment where he was in danger. Just chill "kid" play (from term of difficulty)
0.3 was a real mistake of powercreep then now it looks like - barely nothing changes unless monsters will get more hp so there will be no skip like T1 to T13 like in 0.3
The promise of challenging gameplay apply only to first-time players who play without any guide
i wish it to be really challenging and end-game not being stick to throw out combos - as we one shot with barely everything so there's no need to use anything else than one skill
and GGG should precise again - as stone - THEY WANT GAME TO BE HARDER and SYNERGIES to stay - without ONE SHOTING screen and being aware of our positioning
no one barely likes poe 1 pace of speed in poe 2 and game sells only for different aproach to combat.
they need to change difficulty back to 0.1/0.2
poe 1 players will always yell and be unhappy
but game copying poe 1 pace will result in being locked in poe 1 state and having the same community instead filling gap that breached POE 1 player base
while people who loved the difficult gameplay - loses it's patience and leaving slowly one by one - so only the poe 1 and other D3, D4 players who likes to zoom are staying
Last edited by saashaa#5518 on Dec 11, 2025, 4:12:25 PM
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Posted bysaashaa#5518on Dec 11, 2025, 4:08:15 PM
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I dont think they caved into anything.
I dont see it.
What i see is they continue to be Pigheaded, they continue to forum police bad feedback and ignore community feedback. Bad feedback is still feedback it doesnt matter if u get offended or not. You geting offended doesnt invalidate the feedback.
I think enough people simply telling you WE DONT LIKE THIS MECHANIC of THIS MECHANIC SUCKS. Is enough of a feedback.
But they continue to push theyr own ways. Ego is a hard thing to overcome.
I dont see the ''caving in'' your talking about.
What i see is a melee wolf form that jumps in with one spell and with the next spell jumps back out of range of its melee target.
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Posted byintersept#1235on Dec 11, 2025, 4:14:07 PM
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I'm actually surprised at the changes GGG is making thus far. I didn't think they had it in them, or knew what they had to do to make PoE 2 it's own distinct game. Rather than just making it PoE 1 remastered (Same game with a different coat of paint).
There are still many balance changes and game changes that need to be made imo. I feel player speed/power and monster speed/power will prolly still be really high. Bosses will prolly still die in 2 seconds, etc, but one step at a time.
So the ultimate question remains: Will GGG continue to make PoE 2 into it's own game or will they bow down to the "Just make PoE 2 into PoE 1 remastered" camp?
0.4 Launches tomorrow. As is tradition, certain streamers, and the usual suspects on reddit/official forum will run their usual doom and gloom rounds.
- Streamers (won't say names) will make content about how the game is headed in the wrong direction, and GGG needs to return it to what it was (aka more like PoE 1)
- Reddit/forum users and streamers will talk about how every map is a walking simulator cause every inch of the map isn't filled with monsters they can chain reaction explosions on.
- They will say "Loot doesn't drop anymore. Loot was stealth nerfed and EVERYTHING IS GARBAGE"
- They will talk about how it takes them 5 minutes to kill 3 white monsters.
- They will bombard steam reviews with " MOSTLY NEGATIVE" to really make GGG understand that there is only 1 way an Arpg can be made in the current year (Zoom zoom 200ms 1 click nuke 2 screens).
- They will shout about how EVERYTHING IS A SLOG, CLUNKY, AND UNPLAYABLE. They will proclaim the only way the game can be salvaged is if GGG returns to zoom zoom 1 button clicker. Their go to for everything they don't like is "CLUNKY". This is code word for "make it faster", "Speed it up".
- They will claim the game will die unless GGG takes back EVERY CHANGE THEY'VE MADE.
- Certain streamers (if you watch PoE on twitch you already know who) will try to use their base to rally against GGG and really "stick it to them" lol.
and many more.
All of this will happen within 1 week of launch, coming from streamers, "content creator", and the usual forum suspects (reddit/official). It's pretty much par the course at this point.
Will GGG cave to this mob and "realize the error of their ways". Quickly reverting all their changes and return PoE 2 on path to be PoE 1 remastered. Or will they tell those screaming the loudest that "The game they are looking for already exist. It's PoE 1".
Overall I must say that I'm surprised. Looking at GGG's history the past couple years I would not have expected them to do this. Will they stay the course and continue with the changes or revert back to PoE 1 remastered. Only time will tell I guess.
Based on Ziggy gameplay game is again - even more easier. I guess GGG gived up on the methodical combat and end-game is about clicking one skill. On his gameplay there was no challenge or moment where he was in danger. Just chill "kid" play (from term of difficulty)
0.3 was a real mistake of powercreep then now it looks like - barely nothing changes unless monsters will get more hp so there will be no skip like T1 to T13 like in 0.3
The promise of challenging gameplay apply only to first-time players who play without any guide
i wish it to be really challenging and end-game not being stick to throw out combos - as we one shot with barely everything so there's no need to use anything else than one skill
and GGG should precise again - as stone - THEY WANT GAME TO BE HARDER and SYNERGIES to stay - without ONE SHOTING screen and being aware of our positioning
no one barely likes poe 1 pace of speed in poe 2 and game sells only for different aproach to combat.
they need to change difficulty back to 0.1/0.2
poe 1 players will always yell and be unhappy
but game copying poe 1 pace will result in being locked in poe 1 state and having the same community instead filling gap that breached POE 1 player base
while people who loved the difficult gameplay - loses it's patience and leaving slowly one by one - so only the poe 1 and other D3, D4 players who likes to zoom are staying
Completely agree. If you want that zoomerdiscussion to be gone then make it challenging again. Because if they feel challenged on their 2 div budget in t15 then they will not complain about speed. Or can you remember that discussions in 0.1 with double corrupted maps and extra modifiers on monsters only for waystonesustain?
The problem is that everything is made so much easier that you are really bothered by the speed - because that's everything you recognize from the game.
Edit: Not agreeing on the PoE1 part though. Don't know where y'all got that from, but PoE1 was never even close to that easy to PoE2 in 0.2 and later on. And most of the people there know how to suffer and body brigade to achieve goals instead of having a 10k ES shield t4 killer on day 3 of the league as it is current state in PoE2.
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Posted bycavexs#4102on Dec 11, 2025, 4:22:32 PM
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POE2 has been a poe1 reskin since 0.3.
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Posted byShiyoKozuki#4168on Dec 11, 2025, 4:30:07 PM
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Posted byShiyoKozuki#4168on Dec 11, 2025, 4:32:23 PM
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its gonna turn into poe 1 at one point or another no matter what. There more stuff thats in the game this whole "vision" will be harder to uphold and i am all for it.
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Posted byeye_356#2542on Dec 11, 2025, 4:36:31 PM
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I don't get people who leave a negative review due to 1 or 2 things they don't like, ignoring the hundreds or more things they do like.
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Posted bySaraneth#7424on Dec 11, 2025, 4:50:49 PM
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The "Vision" meme is thrown around a lot, and I think several things ggg should stick to their guns on. However, at the end of the day they are going to go with what keeps their business model going. And in that there are a few facts. Methodical does not require as many stash tabs or in game wealth building. The gamers wanting slow are not as likely to be playing 3 + characters per leaugue, in fact a good share of them are probably not reaching t15 or possibly even maps at all. In my estimation slower equals less $$ spent. Do we need poe 1 level of zoom where some builds are clearing t17 sub 2 minutes? Nope. Do we need to fight 4 white mobs for 30 seconds? Also a big nope. A slightly better boss fight moderately slowed down campaign and maps poe 1 is still poe 1.
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Posted byExsiliumUltra#5541on Dec 11, 2025, 6:40:47 PM
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- Streamers (won't say names) will make content about how the game is headed in the wrong direction, and GGG needs to return it to what it was (aka more like PoE 1)
Watching other people play and talk about video games is where you went wrong.....
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Posted bybaconbyte#0146on Dec 11, 2025, 6:47:35 PM
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They're caving to the slow pacers in 0.4
I can understand tourists can get better treatment when they visit a country but at the end of the day, it's the locals that really make a city live.
I just hope GGG dosen't forget that, because usually, tourist move from a destination to another, whilst the locals will still be there tomorrow.
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