What other Ascendancies should be updated?

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

I really don't want to be snarky, but you sound like you want to argue against me but end up in the same position, which is that Assassin needs changes to become more relevant in this day and age

I think you kind of confused Beavith with the other guy that was arguing a "starter ascendancy" was fine. Different person.

Beavith said at the beginning that Assassin needed updating. It's in the OP.

Idk I enjoy glad for its retaliation identity in settlers.


I LOVED lacerate and crushing fist. So much fun when they released.



I can see why people dont particularly like it as its... very block/bleed centric and not much room in the way for other stuff.


Id like to see maybe...something done about that but would be fine without it.

Other ascendancies probably need more attention.

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

Idk I enjoy glad for its retaliation identity in settlers.


I LOVED lacerate and crushing fist. So much fun when they released.

I think though you'd agree that retaliations are quite a niche in and of themselves. Except I guess Eviscerate, but even that one is still relatively small use compared to your average "popular" or "semi-popular" skill. It's also almost exclusively used by NON-gladiator classes.

My vision of Glad (clearly) is colored by the fact that I VERY MUCH preferred the OLD retaliation skills, not these active ones. And it was fun trying to fit them into basically every other build when creating a gladiator with the double damage and 80/80 block.

eviscerate yea meant eviscerate

Are you guys happy with the Assassin Rework?

It could possibly be one of the best ascendancies now but I really was hoping for more than 2 poison nodes.

I actually would have preferred the Infused Toxins Notable to actually have been Critical Strikes Poison since it is a Crit Ascendancy and maybe another notable where Critical Strikes which Inflict a Damaging Ailment Proliferate (or something like that).

I've already got ideas cooking up. I'm super happy with the new Assassin, I find myself wanting more points than I can have.

I wish we could have kept the poison chance though.

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moerutora#4751 wrote:

Are you guys happy with the Assassin Rework?

Mixed bag results

- comparable or worse for hit-based attack builds due to split of life-based crit notables
- comparable or better for hit-based spell builds due to sandstorm visage notable
- better for poison builds even though you need more poison chance investment

The physical recoup notable is pretty meh because you a) you can't recoup when you're dead from a 1 shot b) recoup takes time c) assasin is great at dying without serious side defense investment (block, armor, etc.)

The lev 30 assasin mark notable is honestly a joke. A 4 point ascendancy notable should give more than the equivalent of 10 levels to a single gem that you would be running anyways.

The elusive node buff is nice. It was very underrated before both for defense (crit damage immunity is huge for survival) and convenience (zoom zoom).

Trickster got nerfed pretty hard :(

As for assassin rework I am considering poison spark starter. But spells still kind of bad right now so probably not.

well shucks....forgot today was announcement day. Got a lot to catch up on.

reading this thread makes me feel sad.

i feel that starter builds are indicators of an unbalanced game, but its been so normalized in poe that no one bats an eye. but yeah. that ship has long sailed. if you dont play a starter build, your experience in poe may be very inferior