I don't think I can do this every 3 to 4 months., the campaign is just too long.

I am 54, a VP of Engineering (which means busy full time job) a single father widower with kids to manage. I make good money and want to sit down when I can and play a video game. One of the greatest things about Path of Exile 1 is that I dont worry about competing with others, half the time I play SSF anyway because I dont want to just do someone else's build. I have gotten to the point where I can do the campaign in about 12h. Is that a record speed? God no. But It is probably a best for me and I am comfortable with that.

Then there is POE2.

I will NEVER see the endgame in this game. Now that the league has been running a while and I have gotten past the horrific startup curve I am playing through the campaign and its long. For a casual like me we are talking 60+ hours already and counting. Its not long because its thrilling and exciting it is just long. Its not long because it is challenging ... its just long and tedious.

In POE1 if you want to blast the campaign you know where the bosses are, skip a bunch of mobs and go get them and move on, pausing to kill just what you need to level up. Its sort of the "If it ain't blue run right through" mantra. In POE2 you cant do that. Almost every zone demands a full scale clear. You have to wade through tons of monsters to get through the bosses. The rewards like dropped gems are on this mini boss and that, dropped only by yellow mobs and so on. You have to basically kill everything. In POE1 if you required players to kill every mob before they leave the zone they would riot on the forums. Its not challenging or engaging, its tedious.

And this means on the GGG scale act 6 will take a normie like me 30h to get through when its done as each act is longer than the previous. This isn't engaging, its tedious. Like mowing the lawn with a pair of nail clippers.

Once? Cool. Twice ... eh ... ok I guess ... every 3 months for each of your 3 characters you wanted to try? No no no. I cant even bear to roll a ritualist though I would like to try it because I know I will NEVER see endgame.

This is not a viable product for normal people. For streamers, Twitch content producers, dedicated racers, sure. Its annoying to them but not a big deal.

And to be clear I am not asking for a campain skip. I am asking for a campaign compression. Instead of having to tediously fight 32 packs to get to the boss, maybe only 10 packs. Instead of the zone being a vast morass of quasi random generated caves make it more open and direct so people can get to the boss and fight him. This means the streamers will blast through it. Sure. And who cares? Unless you are making a game only for streamers, content creators and those without a job or family.

+1

I'm always divided in my opinion of this. On one hand, I understand the argument that some people give regarding it, but on the other hand I'm always afraid the game would turn into poe1 or worse, last epoch

Right now it's already fast enough that some people are done with the game in a week and there's nothing else to do. First because the crafting is way too overpowered and second because there's really no end game, no items to chase or drop

Maybe the issue is with the end game, but I don't think even with the end game reworked, cutting campaign would be healthy for the game longevity

Maybe the second character in a league could have some sort of shortcut, and some maps could most definitely get reworked (shortened, better layout...), but the first char experience every league should stay the same imo

If you complete the campaign once, you should be able to skip it and level up in maps or maybe a smaller version of the campaign if you'd like. It's been tried and tested because the campaign is *great*... once.

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iHiems#0168 wrote:

I'm always divided in my opinion of this. On one hand, I understand the argument that some people give regarding it, but on the other hand I'm always afraid the game would turn into poe1 or worse, last epoch

Right now it's already fast enough that some people are done with the game in a week and there's nothing else to do. First because the crafting is way too overpowered and second because there's really no end game, no items to chase or drop

Maybe the issue is with the end game, but I don't think even with the end game reworked, cutting campaign would be healthy for the game longevity

Maybe the second character in a league could have some sort of shortcut, and some maps could most definitely get reworked (shortened, better layout...), but the first char experience every league should stay the same imo

Play SSF?

Play HC?

If the answer isnt yes to both then the game isnt too easy. I am not asking it to be easy anyway. I dont want the boss to go down without planning and thinking. I just want to cut the tedium.

im not sure what you expect?
if you dont enjoy the campaign at all then this game isnt for you anyway and i strongly disagree that every game has to be balanced around father with 12 kids and 20 jobs.. there is plenty of games for you, let the neets have some too

People like you need to stop trying to make devs trivialize every single game, im sorry but its why there are so little good games nowadays.

This is my opinion as well and I'm actually enjoying POE2. But it does have some flaws. I don't mind doing the campaign again once per season on a character, but no way am I doing it all over again on alts. The maps are just too big and its a slog for some classes. I think rewarding players with smaller campaign maps is more than fair for those that actually complete all acts.

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raV#3445 wrote:

im not sure what you expect?
if you dont enjoy the campaign at all then this game isnt for you anyway and i strongly disagree that every game has to be balanced around father with 12 kids and 20 jobs.. there is plenty of games for you, let the neets have some too

People like you need to stop trying to make devs trivialize every single game, im sorry but its why there are so little good games nowadays.

Wow you are nice ... uh ... not.

Next I would suggest that you actually read the entire post because I didnt ask them to trivialize it ... at all. My suggestions were completely different. And my explanation of the problem was different. I suspect you read the title only.

the game is not yours, its ok.

we want poe2, not copy poe1.

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Darosius#3984 wrote:

the game is not yours, its ok.

we want poe2, not copy poe1.

And I never asked for it to be POE1. What the heck is wrong with you people? You cant read 5 paragraphs? You cant try to understand my point and make a persuasive reply?

Man!

Sad!