Make the ascendency FUN, not a CHORE

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

So you have prove for that "1% of the playerbase likes these trials" claim?

So you have proof that this mechanics is universally acclaimed and should stay as it is, because it's not an issue?

How many people say "I dropped the game because of these trials" and how many "wow, they are so cool, I love torment, pain and punishments, that's my idea of fun and I love doing these trials over and over again for no reward because boss oneshotted me again in 35 room?"

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Granathar#7992 wrote:

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

So you have prove for that "1% of the playerbase likes these trials" claim?

So you have proof that this mechanics is universally acclaimed and should stay as it is, because it's not an issue?

How many people say "I dropped the game because of these trials" and how many "wow, they are so cool, I love torment, pain and punishments, that's my idea of fun and I love doing these trials over and over again for no reward because boss oneshotted me again in 35 room?"

You seem to confuse a vocal minority in a forum with the actual playerbase.

Negativity will always be more vocal than positivity.

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"wow, they are so cool, I love torment, pain and punishments, that's my idea of fun and I love doing these trials over and over again for no reward because boss oneshotted me again in 35 room?"

Just because someone doesn't spam "asc so cool" in a forum doesn't mean he's not liking it.

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

You seem to confuse a vocal minority in a forum with the actual playerbase.

Lets delete forums and Reddit, because it's only vocal minorities there and therefore every feedback for the game is invalid.

I get it, the game is perfect and doesn't need to get better, all feedback is invalid, so developers should never, under any circumstances listen to players because it's always only vocal minority.

Actually they should stop developing the game at all, because it's only a vocal minority that asks for new features. There is no proof that it's expectation of majority of playerbase so I think that they should call 0.1 a day, realase as 1.0 and leave it as is.

How much money did they waste by making 0.2 and 0.3? There were no proofs that players want them because they didn't ask everyone in person, everything was already fine at 0.1.

you want free power. You better work for it a bit.

Sekhema is fine imo, most of the builds work with 2-3 ascendancies fine, so you can delay 4th for later (you gonna be stronger and faster).
There is ultimatum also.
And I'm waiting for 3rd alterative trial to look at it.

Overall, watching streamer content or thinking it's gonna be poe1 fast powergains all along is a big mistake by most players.

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vzmNitie#2139 wrote:

you want free power. You better work for it a bit

These trials are far worse than work if you don't work in nuclear waste facility without protective clothing. And I mean it, I'd rather prefer to work than doing these trials because that's how badly designed they are. And it's not only me.

Difficulty may come in many forms - for example it may be hard boss that you need to get ready for, like uber Lilith in D4 or something, but these trials are not difficulty but rather RNG bullshit russian roulette where you need to miss the bullet for 35 times in a row.

And I agree that Sekhemas is way better, but I still think that we should have at least 2-3 chances and it should only move us back to the beginning of a trial that we failed, not reset progress entirely. We already did previous trials, why do we have to redo them? If you failed on 4th trial, we should start again in 4th trial.

Redoing entire floor is punishing enough IMO.

Sekhemas is very cool to me, last league I was doing a lot for fun, trying to do untouchable runs.

This league I play Titan, Sekhemas is not fun but doable, and the Trial of Chaos is absolutely miserable. Very absurd modifier mechanics for a class that is slow.

At least in Sekhemas you can get buffs or remove the afflictions if your lucky. Also you have 4 boss fights not 483948398 until you get all 3 fragments.

I suggest to make it 1 run with the trial master for the 4th ascendancy, and you if you collect the 3 fragments you can use them to open a chest which gives you some extra loot. (like the gloves for example).

Izaro was also fun, but felt to long sometimes.

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Granathar#7992 wrote:

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

You seem to confuse a vocal minority in a forum with the actual playerbase.

Lets delete forums and Reddit, because it's only vocal minorities there and therefore every feedback for the game is invalid.

I get it, the game is perfect and doesn't need to get better, all feedback is invalid, so developers should never, under any circumstances listen to players because it's always only vocal minority.

Actually they should stop developing the game at all, because it's only a vocal minority that asks for new features. There is no proof that it's expectation of majority of playerbase so I think that they should call 0.1 a day, realase as 1.0 and leave it as is.

How much money did they waste by making 0.2 and 0.3? There were no proofs that players want them because they didn't ask everyone in person, everything was already fine at 0.1.

Exaggerating much?

How much of this 'feedback' in this forum is real feedback, and how much is people crying and demanding?

E.g. just look at the posts about sprinting. People just being too dumb to tap a button instead of holding it. And you really think that "mimimi i'm too stupid to release a button that's why I'm dying and this makes this game garbage" is valid feedback?

Because most of this 'feedback' in this forum is just that way.

I think it would be very interesting to see what percentage of players ever get their fifth and sixth ascendancy points. Their seventh and eighth.

I have gotten my sixth with exactly one character, and then, only after over leveling well beyond the level of the Sekhemas trial that would give me the points. Failing a run of either of the trials is one of the things most likely to tilt me, and have me shut off the game. Not only is it frustrating from a one time run perspective, but you also lose your entry ticket. Madness.

Having level ups tied to rare item drops is another insufficiently lampooned part of the whole system. It's luck on top of luck. Sure with Sekhemas you can farm relics, but that requires doing even more Sekhemas to even get them. Which sucks to begin with.

1. Your title doesnt match the sentiment of your post. Your whole post is just about making it easier, which would have no impact on it being fun or not. It would only make it less fun for those who actually enjoy overcoming the challenge. If you just want them to make it easier then sure your entitled to your opinion, but if you want them to make them actually fun then you need to make some suggestions and not just complain about difficulty.

2. I personally enjoy trial of the sekhemas, it has cool stuff that can drop, and it gives you plenty of options to interact with the difficulty both trough relics and also buffs.

People who complain about the difficulty of sekhemas honestly just havent spent the time to understand it. If you get honor resistance on your relics and you figure out that the vendor sells buffs then its incredibly easy.

3. Trial of Chaos I will agree with for the most part. The bird boss is very out of sync with the other bosses and the area only has debuffs, negative things that can happen and really nothing interesting that can drop.

They should make it more like sekhemas where when you choose a downside you also get an upside, or something like that.

Have hated these trials since the start of EA. its not that they are that challenging. its just a chore to go trough. and the honor system or having to start over if i do end up failing is stressing me out. im more likley to Alt-F4 than to try again if i do fail.

The 4th ascendancy ive never even bothered trying. i just pay someone for a boost and be done with it. the fact that people would rather parth with vaulable currency than to do these trials should speak for itself...


I really hope they change how to ascend or improve on these trials to make them less stressfull and less of a chore to do.