Elementalist question (?)

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"The Shaper of Flames Ascendancy Passive Skill no longer has 25% more Damage with Ignites you inflict with Hits for which the highest Damage Type is Fire. Instead, it now causes Enemies Ignited by you to convert 40% of their Physical Damage to Fire."

"by you" count/work with Totems?

if so, Elementalist is sooooo back. Specially for HC.

It surprises me that nobody is talking about how strong this new ascendancy node is. Basically a Cloak of Flame right on your first lab.

This won't work with totems.

Because it specifies "by you" and doesn't also mention totems, it will only work with damage dealt by the player.

If it were to work it would say something like, "Ignited Enemies convert 40% of their Physical Damage to Fire."

That's... a good question, actually.

Beavith is correct when they say that your totems aren't you - however, they do inherit your stats. It definitely wouldn't work with, say, ignite-inflicting specters, but I think on balance I would expect this to work just because the totem should 'yoink' the stat from you.

Consider that it's applied to the enemy. If the new Shaper of Flames said "You take 40% of Physical Damage dealt by enemies You have ignited as Fire Damage" then that wouldn't work - because your totems aren't you, so you wouldn't give yourself that form of damage alteration.

But as-written I don't see anything preventing your totem from inheriting that stat from you, applying that modifier to enemies, and then those enemies globally applying 40% of their Physical Damage as Fire regardless of which entities they're inflicting damage to.

easy way to test this:

Use a totem, have an "effect when blahblah by you", see if it applies right now. You could go into Act 1 right now and do this in seconds.

Ex: if you have some sort of explosions when you kill an enemy, see if totems trigger those explosions too. If they don't, then they can't trigger this effect either. If they do, then this should also trigger.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

Ex: if you have some sort of explosions when you kill an enemy, see if totems trigger those explosions too. If they don't, then they can't trigger this effect either. If they do, then this should also trigger.

If the explosion is technically a skill then I believe totem's inherent single-skill limitation would specifically break such an interaction, so the test wouldn't be meaningful.

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I'd be inclined to consider this Reddit comment (where else..?) as a good precedent.

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Question wrote:

Re Champion: If your totems inflict taunt, does that count as "taunted by you"

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Answer wrote:

"Xed by you" when referring to debuffs or other ongoing effects applied to enemies is shorthand for "while affected by X applied by your skills, enemies have...". It's a modifier which affects your skills, and totems are using your skills.

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Sarno#0493 wrote:

If the explosion is technically a skill then I believe totem's inherent single-skill limitation would specifically break such an interaction, so the test wouldn't be meaningful.

duh....you are most likely right. Although "explosion" has no skill tag anywhere to be found. Usually even effects like this that MIGHT be skills would have a skill page somewhere.

But this isn't really a "detonate dead"-style skill, its an enemy effect based on the condition that you were the one who killed it. I would think its the same as any secondary effect after something is "xed by you", short of a trigger.


In fact, on the wiki they are specifically called "non-skill explosions"

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Beavith#5056 wrote:

This won't work with totems.

Because it specifies "by you" and doesn't also mention totems, it will only work with damage dealt by the player.

If it were to work it would say something like, "Ignited Enemies convert 40% of their Physical Damage to Fire."

Before making this thread i have made a lot of search.

wiki, reddit and even some AI.

The answer 80% of the time was YES IT WORKS. Because we are not our totems, but they are us (or something like this).

The most accurate answer i got on this was that "on hit" doesnt work to us, because totems are hitting and not us. But "by you" apply to our totems because "we are them".

anyway, would be nice to have a GGG answer on this.


This works for totems. I think it should work to elementalist as well.

The word "by you" is the same.

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imLuCaSsS#6273 wrote:

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Beavith#5056 wrote:

This won't work with totems.

Because it specifies "by you" and doesn't also mention totems, it will only work with damage dealt by the player.

If it were to work it would say something like, "Ignited Enemies convert 40% of their Physical Damage to Fire."

Before making this thread i have made a lot of search.

wiki, reddit and even some AI.

The answer 80% of the time was YES IT WORKS. Because we are not our totems, but they are us (or something like this).

The most accurate answer i got on this was that "on hit" doesnt work to us, because totems are hitting and not us. But "by you" apply to our totems because "we are them".

anyway, would be nice to have a GGG answer on this.


This works for totems. I think it should work to elementalist as well.

The word "by you" is the same.

Ohhh, I see. I was using Hierophant's Arcane Blessing as reference and that specifies hits but also distinguishes between you and the totems.

So I guess it does then.

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Beavith#5056 wrote:

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imLuCaSsS#6273 wrote:

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Beavith#5056 wrote:

This won't work with totems.

Because it specifies "by you" and doesn't also mention totems, it will only work with damage dealt by the player.

If it were to work it would say something like, "Ignited Enemies convert 40% of their Physical Damage to Fire."

Before making this thread i have made a lot of search.

wiki, reddit and even some AI.

The answer 80% of the time was YES IT WORKS. Because we are not our totems, but they are us (or something like this).

The most accurate answer i got on this was that "on hit" doesnt work to us, because totems are hitting and not us. But "by you" apply to our totems because "we are them".

anyway, would be nice to have a GGG answer on this.


This works for totems. I think it should work to elementalist as well.

The word "by you" is the same.

Ohhh, I see. I was using Hierophant's Arcane Blessing as reference and that specifies hits but also distinguishes between you and the totems.

So I guess it does then.

Yes I am, at this point, pretty sure it works.

Surprise to see nobody is talking about, probably because 90% of poe play SC and its probably sad about the "25 more damage" going away.

But for us, HC players, this new node is INSANE. Its a cloak of flame in our first lab

Oh yeaaaa baby, a Tank Witch! I have been waiting years for it. Elementalist my new love. XD

I have my league start already.

I assume it's multiplicative with cloak/coil, is that correct?