3.26 needs massive meaningful balance changes !

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Aynix#7757 wrote:

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Baharoth15#0429 wrote:

Well, i guess then we'll have to agree to disagree. Popularity and power are very different things.

No one said its same thing. Except you are the one who refuses to admit that skills are popular due to their power. In a game that has hundreds of diffrent skills, if ANY of the skill is played by more than 1% of the playerbase, it means its power is far above the rest and should be nerfed. Let me say it again POWER. Not DPS. Not how fast it kills bosses. Its overall POWER.

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You are correct that a skill needs a certain amount of power to be popular but that doesn't equate to most popular = most powerful. Advertising plays a huge role in how popular something is but not in how powerful it is.

You are wrong, again. I wrote this just last page. There is a correlation between them but declaring them one and the same is absurd and he did just that.

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PoE Ninja numbers don't inherently tell you what skill deals the most damage (see HoAg builds)....but it DOES tell you what builds are the most powerful, as agreed upon by the entire playerbase.

He is arguing that LS is the most powerful skill because it has the highest usage on POE ninja and that RF is the third most powerful skill because it's rank 3 on POE ninja. If that isn't equating power and popularity then what is? He completely disregards a multitude of factors that play into this and that have nothing to do with build power and simply elevates the majority decision to absolute truth.

Anyway, arguing with people who believe the hivemind is always right is pointless so have a nice day.

Without balance changes PoE feels like a stale and boring game, even with "new content", which is honestly just a glorified new way to make new gear with slightly different mechanics.

As for LS, i'm just gonna say that it's not 13% of Ninja playing LS, it's 25%. Vaal LS counts too. A huge portion of them playing with Nimis, abusing it's projectiles, but hey, it's a melee skill, right?

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AdRonZh3Ro#4713 wrote:

As for LS, i'm just gonna say that it's not 13% of Ninja playing LS, it's 25%. Vaal LS counts too. A huge portion of them playing with Nimis, abusing it's projectiles, but hey, it's a melee skill, right?

Are they taken separately? I always thought the vaal counterpart had significant overlap with the other skill since "both" are equipped as main skills.

**Ed: just checked, yes they overlap. So the higher % between the two is the actual total %. In this case, 13%. You do NOT add them together, 12% is a subset of the 13% which just indicates that most LS skills are also using VLS

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Baharoth15#0429 wrote:

Anyway, arguing with people who believe the hivemind is always right is pointless so have a nice day.

You literally missed the entire point of this conversation. Wow. Every post, completely disregarded. That's impressive circuitous talking right there.

Re-read how this got started: the first, second, third, and fourth posts that I wrote in response to you. Rewriting history through erroneous quoting doesn't erase all of that context from the thread lol.

Even after you yourself said in the very first page, its 1.5 or even 2x more powerful than nearly everything else.

" Usually it will be factor 1,5 or 2 at most which i'd consider fairly reasonable. "

It's reasonable for a skill to outperform nearly all others by a factor of 2? Not counting all the utility of it being a "ranged" melee skill?. And that isn't "outstanding" to you?! And those numbers are probably the low end of what's possible too, when taking similar investment into perspective.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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Huh. Odd way to show % that don't add up to 100%, but hey, live and learn.

Doesn't change the fact 13% is a staggeringly high number when a countless amount of skills to play from exist.

It also stresses the point out to how bad we need balance changes.

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AdRonZh3Ro#4713 wrote:

Huh. Odd way to show % that don't add up to 100%, but hey, live and learn.

Doesn't change the fact 13% is a staggeringly high number when a countless amount of skills to play from exist.

It also stresses the point out to how bad we need balance changes.

Its because there are vaal lightning strikes attached to the transfigured versions. And also builds which don't use vaal at all. Add them ALL together and it adds up to 100%

Select "Vaal Lightning Strike"
97% also use LS
3% use LS of Arcing

Select "LS"
88% also use VLS

So basically, VLS is included in ALL LS data, but not all LS data is used in VLS. Square/Rectangle problem.

But yes exactly, 13% is enormous. which is why I brought up PoE Ninja data in the first place. Claiming its meaningless "popularity" data (half-filled with nonfunctional builds lol) is ridiculous. Especially when you consider HE used the .2% trap builds to justify HIS interpretation of the data, a number that is drastically less representative.

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Aynix#7757 wrote:

Yep, if its gonna be another league of Hexblast starter, then change to LS, some people wont even bother coming back and some will leave very fast.
Bring back the massive balance changes that were pages long and made everyone frantically thinking about new builds instead playing same thing for the 56th time.

Amen. And thank you.

Casters need big buffs to be playable as it is now.
Especially in the defence area.

Now you have to play a non caster to be able to do the hard stuff.
And yeah, its possible to do it with caster if you have unlimited currency but very few have.
So please make casters more viable please.

Why is there even a debate about LS ? Really ? Come on...

Actually real human beings in here advocating for it not to be nerfed ? lol

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Baharoth15#0429 wrote:

He is arguing that LS is the most powerful skill because it has the highest usage on POE ninja and that RF is the third most powerful skill because it's rank 3 on POE ninja.

And he is right. Maybe replace "powerful" to "versatile" if it will make you understand it easier, but thats what he means by saying "powerful". He doesnt mean it deals most amount of damage.