Bring back old supporter packs?

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Marabitos#0703 wrote:

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Aynix#7757 wrote:

They cant bring them back. They were selling them for over 10 years on the premise that they are TIME LIMITED and will NEVER come back.

We are also talking about a game that despite what anyone says, is nearing its end of life. Why not do the standard MMO procedure of beating it for every penny they can? I'm normally against such ideas, but if it gets GGG some money and gives them a reason to keep it around longer... I'm kinda on board.

Such a stupid argument. Why would PoE near its end?
PoE1 broke player numbers almost every subsequent league. PoE2 had higher numbers because of marketing, people giving away many free keys and "NEW GAME". PoE2 has as bad a player retention as any other ARPG.

If they keep developing for PoE1, there will be plenty PoE1 players that will support it.

Stop trying to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy that it might end. Many players, including me, prefer PoE1 over PoE2.

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Sarno#0493 wrote:

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Marabitos#0703 wrote:

Why not do the standard MMO procedure of beating it for every penny they can?

The more supporter packs a person has purchased in the past, the more aggrieved they would feel by this apparent betrayal / broken promise / whatever you want to call it.

I don't know that driving away the game's most (financially) generous backers is the best way of milking it as much as they can. Besides; just offering every tier of every supporter pack ever would result in some profound levels of decision fatigue that'd likely tank sales.

If they want to increase sales, they should come up with some half-baked rationale for doubling the number of top-tier supporter packs available, in the hopes that as many whales as possible start buying both $480 packs. Which I assume is, essentially, the only reason PoE 2 will exist...

I personally wouldn't mind them coming back on like, a random monthly rotation or something?

I don't feel particularly aggrieved over the idea of people having access to them, but then again I've never been a fan of fomo / exclusivity being used as a selling point anyway.

/shrug

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

None of this is actually true.

First, if you go back with WayBackMachine and check the old pages, it says nowhere that this content is a one-time exclusive purchase to never return to the shop. What they do say, however, is that they were exclusive to that league. This can be twisted/interpreted in multiple ways and would not give you an edge in court.

Second, checking up on NZ's laws in that regard, none of them apply here because there was nothing misleading or inaccurate. You could get upset, but what does that even mean these days.

If GGG decides to bring those packs back, there's nothing you can legally do about it.

Actually, it's pretty much true.

GGG has consistently marketed their supporter packs as exclusive to specific leagues and available only for a limited time.
Supporter Packs were explicitly stated to contain exclusive microtransactions that would not return to the store.

While there may not be a specific law that outright prohibits bringing them back, GGG is still bound by other laws and regulations, not just in New Zealand, but also in the European Union and North America (US & Canada).

These laws prohibit misleading or deceptive marketing practices. Re-releasing products that were sold under the clear implication of exclusivity could easily fall afoul of those standards, especially if customers made purchases based on that exclusivity.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

They can absolutely bring them back if they wanted to.

Legally? Yes, they can. But mark my word most die-hard supporters would feel like its just "milking strategy" and would stop supporting the game.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

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Aynix#7757 wrote:

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

They can absolutely bring them back if they wanted to.

Legally? Yes, they can. But mark my word most die-hard supporters would feel like its just "milking strategy" and would stop supporting the game.

Dude, this is like my third account. I've spent literal thousands over the years. I even bought the $1100 pack back then, to make a Div card. I can only speak for myself here, but I honestly wouldn't mind if they did bring them back, in fact, I'd love it. Every "die hard" supporter should remind themselves what the money was used for, so it doesn't matter anymore.

Well I hope GGG does not listen to people like Baumis whose prior accounts were banned because ... and now wants to get their old supporter mtx back. Your goal and intentions are crystal clear.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

Dude, this is like my third account. I've spent literal thousands over the years. I even bought the $1100 pack back then, to make a Div card. I can only speak for myself here, but I honestly wouldn't mind if they did bring them back, in fact, I'd love it. Every "die hard" supporter should remind themselves what the money was used for, so it doesn't matter anymore.

You are you, Jimmy is Jimmy.

What card did you make, BTW?

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

Dude, no. Aside from the direct quotes from government sites, everything you've said is misinformation.

Dude, what exactly is “misinformation” according to you? Care to elaborate? Or is just saying “misinformation” your go-to when there’s nothing of substance to respond with?

Aside from the direct quotes I used from government sources, everything I said is based on how GGG operates within the bounds of what’s legally allowed.

They’re not just arbitrarily choosing not to re-release old supporter packs, there are legal implications. When something is marketed as limited, exclusive, or leaving the store forever, reintroducing it later can create real problems under advertising and consumer protection laws.

I personally wouldn’t care if they brought the packs back. It’s a game. I don’t need limited MTX as a form of self-validation. But many people have likely purchased these packs specifically because they were labeled as limited, as a form of flex, to feel like they got something others couldn’t.
And yeah, those are exactly the types of players who do get entitled and would absolutely file complaints if GGG reversed their stance. In a community this size, it wouldn’t take many to cause issues.

Sure, they’d probably make good money re-releasing old cosmetics now and then. But again that doesn’t magically override legal or reputational risk.
Just because you or I want them to do something doesn’t mean they can.

So no, it’s not “misinformation.” It’s a grounded, reasonable take, supported by actual sources and basic business sense.

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They started this "exclusivity" trend in 2019, and only in this form:
Blessed be the web archive.

Indeed, blessed be the web, truly a gift.

GGG was using “limited time” and “exclusive” well before 2019, with multiple official announcements clearly stating packs/mtx would leave the store forever. Even something as simple as the PoE forums acts as a solid archive and blast from the past, shame for those who weren’t around back then.

I couldn’t be bothered to compile every single instance, so here’s just a small sample of well-advertised, limited-time, never-returning packs as they were clearly presented.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1880294
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2241136
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1707765

Kinda wild how easy it is to verify, yet how often it seems to fly under the radar, even among those who’ve supposedly been around a long time and spent plenty supporting the game.

Nulled.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

Dude, this is like my third account. I've spent literal thousands over the years. I even bought the $1100 pack back then, to make a Div card. I can only speak for myself here, but I honestly wouldn't mind if they did bring them back, in fact, I'd love it. Every "die hard" supporter should remind themselves what the money was used for, so it doesn't matter anymore.

GGG got such big support from us becayse they are not just another scummy company that tries their hardest to milk players. Bringing back old supporter packs would shatter that image in an instant. There is literally not a single reason to bring them back other than "we just want more money lol".

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

All right, so I was partly mistaken. Doesn't change the fact that not every pack has those words. They explicitly state that microtransactions within these packs will not appear in the store. If they re-release those, no issue.

Yeah, they’ve done it both ways and they've been pretty clear that packs and the MTX in them aren’t coming back to the store. Reskins are fine, but maybe for the best they don’t do them in most cases, seen too many nice MTX get ruined with weird color swaps.