Time to Call Chris Back in

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

Not everyone needs a fresh league or patch to enjoy the game, most can simply enjoy what’s already there, because the core experience is still strong and pretty much the same as during a fresh league.

Excuse me?

PoE1 had, what, 5k active players before the current events? The game has 200k+ at league launch. So I would ABSOLUTELY say that "most" cannot "simply enjoy what's already there", because they have already enjoyed it. They are also trained by GGG for 10 years to expect content every 3-4 months.

PoE1 is unique, as it has been growing for 10+ years, and has therefore a lot of really dedicated fans that have been here most (if not all) of that time. They have done everything there is to do in the game. GGG knows this, and they even stopped trying to make PoE more beginner friendly. You just have too look at the numbers; PoE1 would die in months without added content, because 95% of all PoE1 players have done everything there is to do in the game.

No one is saying PoE1 is "bad" or "unplayable". But between player numbers, GGG's priorities and close to one year with the same league, it IS in a bad spot.

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MisterFancyPants#7969 wrote:

They are also trained by GGG for 10 years to expect content every 3-4 months.

I see that often, but it's backwards. GGG didn't train noone. They just came to that conclusion after experimenting with different league lengths. Players behaviour made GGG go for this rythm, not the other way around.

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

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MisterFancyPants#7969 wrote:

They are also trained by GGG for 10 years to expect content every 3-4 months.

I see that often, but it's backwards. GGG didn't train noone. They just came to that conclusion after experimenting with different league lengths. Players behaviour made GGG go for this rythm, not the other way around.

Not exactly. PoE1 was always meant to have leagues and regular updates. Feedback from players, especially Kripparian, made GGG see the (obvious) value for a transparent schedule. Since then, they have indeed trained us to be used to (and expect) this schedule, denying that is just... Factually wrong.

hahahaha, stop posting.

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MisterFancyPants#7969 wrote:

Not exactly. PoE1 was always meant to have leagues and regular updates. Feedback from players, especially Kripparian, made GGG see the (obvious) value for a transparent schedule. Since then, they have indeed trained us to be used to (and expect) this schedule, denying that is just... Factually wrong.

It is exactly how I said it.
Schedule ended up with 4 leagues a year, so that each time the leagues line up with key dates like christmas, easter, conventions. Again, key dates that have nothing to do with any "training".

The fact is that the date had to be expected by design, indeed.
You're mixing up the cause and the consequence though. Calendar exists, players have more time at those key dates, you need to line up to maximize your exposure and chance for players to come back.
That's no training. They didn't train players to have more time during Christmas. They do regardless. GGG had to align, because this is when you find your players.

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

The fact is that the date had to be expected by design, indeed.
You're mixing up the cause and the consequence though. Calendar exists, players have more time at those key dates, you need to line up to maximize your exposure and chance for players to come back.
That's no training. They didn't train players to have more time during Christmas. They do regardless. GGG had to align, because this is when you find your players.

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They have, for 8+ years, trained us to expect 3-4 leagues a year. We're used to it. We're expecting it. Doesn't matter what is the cause or the consequence. It has been that way for many years, and they have "suddenly" taken it away, which leaves a serious gap in the enjoyment of a game that has grown around that schedule.

And if you don't agree with us being used to it or expecting it, you're only debating semantics here around the word "trained", which just dub this whole debate stupid.

And to that other guy:

The bottom line is that the whole game, their monetization model and player retention are built around that schedule, which leaves a great absence when they remove it. The game THRIVES on active discords, active forums, active media, active in-game chat, active guilds, active party play and active trade - like ALL live-service games. When ALL of that is on a serious "down low", it's just factually wrong to say that the game is in a "good spot", even though you, personally clearly don't care about any of that.

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MisterFancyPants#7969 wrote:

They have, for 8+ years, trained us to expect 3-4 leagues a year. We're used to it. We're expecting it. Doesn't matter what is the cause or the consequence. It has been that way for many years, and they have "suddenly" taken it away, which leaves a serious gap in the enjoyment of a game that has grown around that schedule.

And if you don't agree with us being used to it or expecting it, you're only debating semantics here around the word "trained", which just dub this whole debate stupid.

I'm not really debating to be honest. I'm just saying that a lot of people (you happened to be the first one I addressed) are using or repeating this, which is just wrong.
Don't get me wrong, I miss my leagues. I'm starving for a new league, for months. Please read what I wrote and do not assume things for no reason :
"if you don't agree with us being used to it or expecting it"
I am (was ? :'( ) used to it, and wish it kept going.

Getting used to or expecting is still not being trained.
Stores are opened during the day, for decades, centuries. We're expecting it, we're used to it. It doesn't mean they have been training us, it just makes sense they open the day because there is no customer during the night.

Why does it matter ? Well first because words have meanings and a correct use for me, but I can accept you calling it "semantic", whatever.
Secondly and more importantly, people used that non-existant "training" to be mad/rude when a small delay happens. We had extended leagues before Settlers debacle, and that was fine.
I could have accepted 3.26 delays if we were not lied to/ignored for PoE2 so much. I wouldn't be happy about it, but that would be ok. We're not "trained" to be there like robots every X months (I know that's not what you meant, but many ppl use it for that justification).
It's more like we have a rendez-vous, so that we can forget it in the meantime, do our stuff, just to be more and more excited when the time comes for a good time with an old friend.

GGG didn't change the rule after training us, they stood us up. And that's way worse.

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

Getting used to or expecting is still not being trained

You're not debating, but you just wrote several paragraphs to debate semantics, even though we do agree on the "issue" at hand. You keep doing that. I don't care if people use "used to", "expect" or "trained to expect", you clearly do, so I just leave it at that.

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MisterFancyPants#7969 wrote:

You're not debating, but you just wrote several paragraphs to debate semantics, even though we do agree on the "issue" at hand. You keep doing that. I don't care if people use "used to", "expect" or "trained to expect", you clearly do, so I just leave it at that.

Well, I have been trained to use words correctly, as well as explaining when people don't understand, by expanding or reformulating. My first intervention was quite direct :). Expressing yourself is a skill, I wonder what skill involves the wait for a new league.

Anyway, I guess I shouldn't try to point at the moon, when you only want to stare at the finger.

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

as well as explaining when people don't understand

You shouldn't try explaining, when people do understand. I just disagree with you, and think those words suits the situation perfectly.