Streamers who are in hideout 24/7

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Jovison613#3587 wrote:

I am sorry this is way above your head and makes no sense to you. Last league during standard I was pulling 5-10k exalts an hour just flipping vaal orbs buying 660 for 100 ex and reselling 330 for 100 ex. I clearly told you how to do it.

People don't understand it.

It's boring as hell for me, it's not why I play the game.

But for shits and giggles I decided to try some flipping in settlers league poe 1.

In one day I made more divs (over a mirror worth) than I did in an entire week of running maps/bossing.

But it doesn't interest me in the least and I don't play these games to get "rich".

But I get how it works.

And to be honest, I kind of hate that it works, but that's the nature of an economy driven game like POE.

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Galyan#8109 wrote:

Great explanation, few corrections though, its not crafting, the current system is not crafting, its all gambling. And mastering a skill? really? really John?

It is like counting cards in blackjack, if you understand probability you can win consistently over a large sampling. I would not call that exactly gambling.

If you use all the currencies, omens and methods efficiently, you are statistically likely to produce a near perfect item that will sell for more than the currencies that you used to produce it. Usual that item is a weapon for the most meta build with 6 specific mods at maximum tier then with near max values in each of those tiers. Mostly omens make this as not as impossible as it seems if it was just totally random.

Rares that drop are pretty much totally random. And all the rare weapons dropped by all the player in a whole season will not be as good as the top tier crafted weapon because crafting is far from truly random. When to recombinate, when to fracture, when to whittle, when to annual, which omens to use and when, there is a knowledge to crafting where the more knowledge you have the more you can slant the odds. Then there is the whole trading aspect of what sells for what, when to stop on an item and sell it, and when to press for better. As with most everything when people spend thousands of hours perfecting something, it becomes more complex than the average person realizes.

Now if you are just transmute, augment, regal, exalt, exalt, exalt; then that is random. That is pretty much a random rare drop. There is simple not enough total exalt dropped to all players in a season to make that method probable for producing a near perfect weapon.

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Galyan#8109 wrote:

I don't know friend, seems a little fishy to get this much assets by just crafting (gambling). You are more likely to lose than to profit with the current system. Really reeks of rmt to me.

I don't think he RMTs but I think he gets help from people at the start to start out. I've watched his 20+ hour streams of him crafting quads of stuff at a time and flipping it. He'd also get crap jewels and chaos them from 1-20 times and sell the jewel for multiple divs. Rinse and repeat. Dude just gets really lucky and knows the markets. Also worth noting he has tens of thousands of hours in POE1.

Replace crafting with gambling, and you're right on the money. And what does tens of thousands of hours in poe1 got to do with this?

Its relevant because he was doing it for years in poe1 so hes got a system down that apparently works for him. I tried to replicate and as you'd expect my results were not the same.

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Galyan#8109 wrote:

Replace crafting with gambling, and you're right on the money. And what does tens of thousands of hours in poe1 got to do with this?

You're so fantastically clueless it's almost amusing.
Omen crafting in poe2 is as much gambling as any form of crafting in poe1, with the exception of maybe vanilla harvest and graveyard, which are no longer present in the game.

It's simple probability and some people have enough wealth to cover getting screwed by RNG.

Is crafting mirror tier items suitable for a casual joe like yourself? No, obviously and it never, EVER should be.

Out of curiosity, are of also mad at everybody else in real life who is richer than you and go around calling them cheaters/criminals?

Is that illegal?

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InvRnd#4436 wrote:

Is that illegal?

Rmt? Yes, it's prohibited.

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arandan#3174 wrote:

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Galyan#8109 wrote:

Replace crafting with gambling, and you're right on the money. And what does tens of thousands of hours in poe1 got to do with this?

You're so fantastically clueless it's almost amusing.
Omen crafting in poe2 is as much gambling as any form of crafting in poe1, with the exception of maybe vanilla harvest and graveyard, which are no longer present in the game.

It's simple probability and some people have enough wealth to cover getting screwed by RNG.

Is crafting mirror tier items suitable for a casual joe like yourself? No, obviously and it never, EVER should be.

Out of curiosity, are of also mad at everybody else in real life who is richer than you and go around calling them cheaters/criminals?

He keeps bringing up gambling, as if the entire core function of this game (loot-dropping) isn't a slot machine. The crafting mechanic is in the game for a reason...

He will make an excellent socialist when he finds out how banking works.

I'm a certified public accountant, don't tell me how banking works. And yes, crafting is still gambling.

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Galyan#8109 wrote:

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InvRnd#4436 wrote:

Is that illegal?

Rmt? Yes, it's prohibited.

Hmmm I'm pretty sure their communities/dedicated farmers in the play group/guild are dropping them the resources. But maybe it's rmt...

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Galyan#8109 wrote:

I'm a certified public accountant, don't tell me how banking works. And yes, crafting is still gambling.

Very bizarre behavior for a CPA. Like I said before, if you're talking about streamers, you can go do your accounting work and see if their wealth adds up or not. But you've called for bans without evidence. Dumb.

The gambling thing seems to have gone over your head. The whole game is gambling. If you want a nearly perfect item, what are the odds of obtaining it from killing a monster vs. using the crafting system? POE2DB can answer that for you.

What are you actually upset about, anyway? The fact that the game has a crafting system?--has an economy? Does it bother you that some people like playing econ simulator more than killing monsters? If your problem is with RMT, then probably 90% of the player base is in agreement. It's just funny that you'd screenshot Belton of all people, given his crusade against TFT.

Also, this is an early access game. There are people with legitimate problems dealing with bugs, balance issues, etc. I think most players hope that when the game is ready for full release, the devs will have the capacity to deal more swiftly with exploits, duping, RMTing, etc. What you're doing with these posts isn't helpful.