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I fully understand what you mean, Early Access is not everyone's cup of tea, and thus can lead to "destructive feedback" because of unfulfilled expectations.
But, having to "high" expectations for EA is sadly different to "them making it worse".
And I am not talking about new bugs or other issues caused by programming stuff, that's normal.
In this case, it's the triple-down of "the vision".
I'm really sorry you've had a really bad experience with 0.2, I don't expect that the mid league patches are gonna magically change your opinion on it either.
I guess my perspective on this is that we don't really know what GGGs vision is. I see the vision getting quoted a lot on the forums but GGG haven't come out with a statement where they are outlining their core principles for PoE 2. I really geniunely think that they are trying to build the best game they are able to and a big part of that is seeing how players react to the game and adjusting from there.
I think a concrete example where I think the community has "misinterpreted" GGGs "vision" is what they mean by "meaningful combat".
I think a lot of people (and I haven't seen you say this) took the nerfs from 0.1 to mean that GGGs vision is to have the whole gameplay experience be closer to what the game feels like in act 1 of the campaign with slower more methodological gameplay but I really don't think that's the case. I think the plan is still for there to be power pogression from act 1 all the way to end of mapping where your build gets faster and stronger. If that wasn't the case I don't think 0.1 builds or lightning spear would have ever existed in the first place and they would have never added the Rhoa mount.
I made a huge post about why I think lightning spear is more "meaningful combat" then 0.1 herald stacking even though they can both clear the screen here: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3767401 but the TL;DR on that is that I don't think GGG is against builds that can clear maps fast, I think they just want there to always be some amount of effort either in your moment to moment gameplay OR your build setup to get to that point.
I think critigue and feedback on the forums is vital, I just wish the discussion was less centered around the game failing or falling apart and more focused around what people like and don't like about the game. I 100% believe if we give GGG good feedback and some time to cook they are going to make the best AARPG in existance that both of us can enjoy a lot.
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Posted byRusinaRange#6285on Apr 25, 2025, 1:04:39 AM
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Honestly, how long is this going to take? The game was one of the best, and now it's just a mess—broken servers, unplayable builds, devs ignoring feedback, and bots running the economy. Instead of fixing things, they just keep breaking more.
If they don’t take real action soon, what’s even left to enjoy? Are we still holding out hope, or is it time to move on?
It's early access, my friend. This was to be expected. Also game development takes time and your post doesn't seem like constructive feedback to me, just more doommongering (can I call it that?).
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Posted byNaharez#3496on Apr 25, 2025, 1:08:38 AM
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I'm really sorry you've had a really bad experience with 0.2, I don't expect that the mid league patches are gonna magically change your opinion on it either.
I guess my perspective on this is that we don't really know what GGGs vision is. I see the vision getting quoted a lot on the forums but GGG haven't come out with a statement where they are outlining their core principles for PoE 2. I really geniunely think that they are trying to build the best game they are able to and a big part of that is seeing how players react to the game and adjusting from there.
Hm, honestly, I have seen enough so far to doubt they will change the game in a way I would consider good.
In 0.1.0 I thought, "Well, it has obvious flaws and needs a lot of improvement, but the basis is not bad".
Then they just mainly focused on nerfing stuff in 0.2.0, especially things that did not need a nerf, and did not actually improve major concerns.
And even then, I could "chill" if something crucial weren't the case... the interviews and the presented vision.
Ppl refer so often to the "vision" because "THE VISION™" is really clearly communicated by someone in charge.
And I have to say, if they keep following this vision, I won't touch the game.
While there is someone in charge, I think he could be the "saviour", I have no clue how much influence he ultimately has in the development, so it doesn't look promising.
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Posted byJakkerONAIR#4902on Apr 25, 2025, 1:23:43 AM
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I'm really sorry you've had a really bad experience with 0.2, I don't expect that the mid league patches are gonna magically change your opinion on it either.
I guess my perspective on this is that we don't really know what GGGs vision is. I see the vision getting quoted a lot on the forums but GGG haven't come out with a statement where they are outlining their core principles for PoE 2. I really geniunely think that they are trying to build the best game they are able to and a big part of that is seeing how players react to the game and adjusting from there.
Hm, honestly, I have seen enough so far to doubt they will change the game in a way I would consider good.
In 0.1.0 I thought, "Well, it has obvious flaws and needs a lot of improvement, but the basis is not bad".
Then they just mainly focused on nerfing stuff in 0.2.0, especially things that did not need a nerf, and did not actually improve major concerns.
And even then, I could "chill" if something crucial weren't the case... the interviews and the presented vision.
Ppl refer so often to the "vision" because "THE VISION™" is really clearly communicated by someone in charge.
And I have to say, if they keep following this vision, I won't touch the game.
While there is someone in charge, I think he could be the "saviour", I have no clue how much influence he ultimately has in the development, so it doesn't look promising.
Most things that got nerfed needed the nerfs.
Also, you're free to play other games if you like.
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Posted byNaharez#3496on Apr 25, 2025, 1:25:16 AM
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Hm, honestly, I have seen enough so far to doubt they will change the game in a way I would consider good.
In 0.1.0 I thought, "Well, it has obvious flaws and needs a lot of improvement, but the basis is not bad".
Then they just mainly focused on nerfing stuff in 0.2.0, especially things that did not need a nerf, and did not actually improve major concerns.
And even then, I could "chill" if something crucial weren't the case... the interviews and the presented vision.
Ppl refer so often to the "vision" because "THE VISION™" is really clearly communicated by someone in charge.
And I have to say, if they keep following this vision, I won't touch the game.
While there is someone in charge, I think he could be the "saviour", I have no clue how much influence he ultimately has in the development, so it doesn't look promising.
Most things that got nerfed needed the nerfs.
Tell me you haven't read the entire patch notes without telling me.
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Also, you're free to play other games if you like.
Interesting. That's not constructive.
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Posted byJakkerONAIR#4902on Apr 25, 2025, 1:30:59 AM
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Hm, honestly, I have seen enough so far to doubt they will change the game in a way I would consider good.
In 0.1.0 I thought, "Well, it has obvious flaws and needs a lot of improvement, but the basis is not bad".
Then they just mainly focused on nerfing stuff in 0.2.0, especially things that did not need a nerf, and did not actually improve major concerns.
And even then, I could "chill" if something crucial weren't the case... the interviews and the presented vision.
Ppl refer so often to the "vision" because "THE VISION™" is really clearly communicated by someone in charge.
And I have to say, if they keep following this vision, I won't touch the game.
While there is someone in charge, I think he could be the "saviour", I have no clue how much influence he ultimately has in the development, so it doesn't look promising.
Most things that got nerfed needed the nerfs.
Tell me you haven't read the entire patch notes without telling me.
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Also, you're free to play other games if you like.
Interesting. That's not constructive.
I guess I just have a different opinion than you do.
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Posted byNaharez#3496on Apr 25, 2025, 1:31:48 AM
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Most things that got nerfed needed the nerfs.
Tell me you haven't read the entire patch notes without telling me.
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Also, you're free to play other games if you like.
Interesting. That's not constructive.
I guess I just have a different opinion than you do.
Obviously. But I did not refer to "having a different opinion", it was about "hypocrisy".
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Posted byJakkerONAIR#4902on Apr 25, 2025, 1:34:42 AM
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Early Access Isn't an Excuse—Where Are the Fixes?
Some of you say the game isn’t fully released yet, so we shouldn’t lose hope—but let’s look at the facts.
1️⃣ Player Count Is Dropping Fast – Just check the game charts. The numbers don’t lie. Players are leaving, and it’s not because of difficulty—it’s because of frustrating mechanics and lack of meaningful fixes.
2️⃣ Early Access Is Meant for Improvements – The whole point is to gather feedback and make changes before full release. So where is the action? Are they actually addressing these issues, or just ignoring them while the game falls apart?
3️⃣ Unstable Servers & Bots Ruining Gameplay – How can they expect proper feedback when the servers constantly disconnect? And even if we push through the lag, the trading system is a disaster—bots flood the economy, making meaningful progress nearly impossible.
4️⃣ If Early Access Isn't for Us, Then Neither Is Endgame – If our feedback doesn’t matter now, then what makes you think things will magically improve at full release? The community is moving on, and if the devs don’t act fast, there won’t be a player base left to enjoy the “finished” game.
These are just some of the key issues holding PoE2 back. We’re not asking for an easier game—we’re asking for balance, meaningful progression, and a stable experience. Right now, only one or two builds are viable, while the rest are either bad or ridiculously expensive.
💬 I want to make it clear—I’m not here to tear the game down, I’m here to push for improvement. I enjoyed the first patch, and I still believe in PoE2's potential. But if the devs don’t act fast, it risks becoming another wasted opportunity. Fixing these issues would make the game better for all of us, and that’s what we should be fighting for
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Posted byhaidar001#0823on Apr 25, 2025, 1:46:19 AM
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Early Access Isn't an Excuse—Where Are the Fixes?
Some of you say the game isn’t fully released yet, so we shouldn’t lose hope—but let’s look at the facts.
1️⃣ Player Count Is Dropping Fast – Just check the game charts. The numbers don’t lie. Players are leaving, and it’s not because of difficulty—it’s because of frustrating mechanics and lack of meaningful fixes.
2️⃣ Early Access Is Meant for Improvements – The whole point is to gather feedback and make changes before full release. So where is the action? Are they actually addressing these issues, or just ignoring them while the game falls apart?
3️⃣ Unstable Servers & Bots Ruining Gameplay – How can they expect proper feedback when the servers constantly disconnect? And even if we push through the lag, the trading system is a disaster—bots flood the economy, making meaningful progress nearly impossible.
4️⃣ If Early Access Isn't for Us, Then Neither Is Endgame – If our feedback doesn’t matter now, then what makes you think things will magically improve at full release? The community is moving on, and if the devs don’t act fast, there won’t be a player base left to enjoy the “finished” game.
These are just some of the key issues holding PoE2 back. We’re not asking for an easier game—we’re asking for balance, meaningful progression, and a stable experience. Right now, only one or two builds are viable, while the rest are either bad or ridiculously expensive.
💬 I want to make it clear—I’m not here to tear the game down, I’m here to push for improvement. I enjoyed the first patch, and I still believe in PoE2's potential. But if the devs don’t act fast, it risks becoming another wasted opportunity. Fixing these issues would make the game better for all of us, and that’s what we should be fighting for
Game development takes time and this answers all your points. If you rush the devs to make immediate changes the solutions you will get will be of low quality.
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Posted byNaharez#3496on Apr 25, 2025, 1:47:27 AM
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I'm really sorry you've had a really bad experience with 0.2, I don't expect that the mid league patches are gonna magically change your opinion on it either.
I guess my perspective on this is that we don't really know what GGGs vision is. I see the vision getting quoted a lot on the forums but GGG haven't come out with a statement where they are outlining their core principles for PoE 2. I really geniunely think that they are trying to build the best game they are able to and a big part of that is seeing how players react to the game and adjusting from there.
Hm, honestly, I have seen enough so far to doubt they will change the game in a way I would consider good.
In 0.1.0 I thought, "Well, it has obvious flaws and needs a lot of improvement, but the basis is not bad".
Then they just mainly focused on nerfing stuff in 0.2.0, especially things that did not need a nerf, and did not actually improve major concerns.
And even then, I could "chill" if something crucial weren't the case... the interviews and the presented vision.
Ppl refer so often to the "vision" because "THE VISION™" is really clearly communicated by someone in charge.
And I have to say, if they keep following this vision, I won't touch the game.
While there is someone in charge, I think he could be the "saviour", I have no clue how much influence he ultimately has in the development, so it doesn't look promising.
Most things that got nerfed needed the nerfs.
I tend to agree here but the thing is they way overdid it. They basically brought down every 0.1 top builds powerlevel so dramatically that they struggle even with good gear now in the endgame and they struggle already in campaign a lot. Certain builds, even with good endgame gear are barely Simulacrum T0 viable now. On the other hand, they introduce Huntress where LS is just as OP as the other builds were last patch and is very easy to gear. That...really didnt make sense. My biggest problem with the nerfs is that they invalidated most endgame items, so that all pinnacles only drop unusable trash now except Prism of Belief. In 0.1, every pinnacle had at least one super good item (that did not always roll well but this gave you an incentive to farm for pinnacles a lot). So nerfing by some 10-20% would have been ok. But they absolutely murdered certain items, mainly jewels by removing most slots on the tree and also movement speed options like Temporalis or QotF were obliterated. I hope they bring back a lot of the power of these items and most jewels slots we had to balance this out again....otherwise the game just ends around LV90 with nothing left to do....
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Posted byLW187#4876on Apr 25, 2025, 1:48:43 AM
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