A Message to Path of Exile 1 Players

Why you just not made it one game as you said at the start? why now you have 2 games without updates , and everybody understand , next poe 2 update will be not so good , and seems like poe 1 is dead , bcs we will never see anything here. You guys killing both games , bcs you made a lot of stupid desicions

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Aldora_the_Summoner#4021 wrote:

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Kupemeu#4587 wrote:

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Aldora_the_Summoner#4021 wrote:

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I can only make logical assumptions from the data available to us publicly but it appears that the seeds of destruction were sown back around the time of GG's sale to Tencent. The acquisition decision was based upon the solid production history of the Western client game and the runaway financial success of the Chinese client with its P2W elements available for a price. The plans for a major expansion (PoE 2) was likely the catalyst for a buy out which no doubt would have included a development outline and revenue expectations.

Can you give examples of some games, made by Tencent owned companies, that have p2w?

I will help you by listing fully owned companies, pick some

Funcom Conan Exiles, Samurai Shodown
Riot Games League of Legends, Teamfight Tactics, LOL: Wild Rift, Legends of Runeterra Valorant.
Sumo Group Sackboy: A Big Adventure и Hood: Outlaws & Legends.
Sharkmob Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodhunt.
Turtle Rock Studios Evolve, Back 4 Blood.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2858052/page/1

May i add the hypothetical possibility that all the time stretching mechanics that were build in into PoE2 to make progression stressful may have their origin in p2w? I think it's highly possible that RMT is the key here. It might be interesting how many RMT traders are owned by that company.

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Aldora_the_Summoner#4021 wrote:

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Kupemeu#4587 wrote:

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Aldora_the_Summoner#4021 wrote:

<Edited for brevity for the point in question>

I can only make logical assumptions from the data available to us publicly but it appears that the seeds of destruction were sown back around the time of GG's sale to Tencent. The acquisition decision was based upon the solid production history of the Western client game and the runaway financial success of the Chinese client with its P2W elements available for a price. The plans for a major expansion (PoE 2) was likely the catalyst for a buy out which no doubt would have included a development outline and revenue expectations.

Can you give examples of some games, made by Tencent owned companies, that have p2w?

I will help you by listing fully owned companies, pick some

Funcom Conan Exiles, Samurai Shodown
Riot Games League of Legends, Teamfight Tactics, LOL: Wild Rift, Legends of Runeterra Valorant.
Sumo Group Sackboy: A Big Adventure и Hood: Outlaws & Legends.
Sharkmob Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodhunt.
Turtle Rock Studios Evolve, Back 4 Blood.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2858052/page/1

Lol, even by this list its QoL additions, that many people in the topic want to be added into main client. And not even at the same level as Stash Tabs, that is almost mandatory to buy.

And they made it only for their market.

But nice try.

So, same question.

At this point it just looks like "China baaaad" crying.

In the meantime set all leauges mechanics available to be able to make broken chars

ive always been the glass half full kinda guy with you guys. always defended you when my friends was getting fed up.

this is not okay. this is messed up and not how you treat your 10+ years of supporting customers.

Why they can't do some "back to back"(one of old) league for now in poe1 most ppl will play and forget about some problems from poe2.

Then they will have time to repair/go on with poe2 without mess ppl.

2 games different but similar, you guys just splitted the community, for sure the work to do to sustain 2 games is more than double!

BTW i'm playing poe2 to try it but i sill prefer poe1.

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Kupemeu#4587 wrote:

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Aldora_the_Summoner#4021 wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2858052/page/1

Lol, even by this list its QoL additions, that many people in the topic want to be added into main client. And not even at the same level as Stash Tabs, that is almost mandatory to buy.

And they made it only for their market.

But nice try.

So, same question.

At this point it just looks like "China baaaad" crying.

Allow me to elucidate; I mentioned that the Chinese client had P2W elements and it does. There's no doubt that the ability to pay for a loot pet confers an advantage to the player who does so, over and above other players. Having the ability to resurrect after a death for a fee is also a P2W element. There's certainly other variances mentioned in that topic that aren't P2W but that doesn't exclude the P2W elements that are present.

Culturally, purchasing a game "buff" is quite common throughout China. This is not the only way that Tencent derives income from the China client, but it is additional revenue not available through the Western client.

This is one of the motivators for Tencent to see a PoE 2 delivered, because they know it will be a revenue driver. Particularly in conjunction with the addictive gambling mechanics prevalent throughout both versions of the game and which are known to be highly addictive.

This isn't some random racist remark made by me, but a factual comment to explain why there would be pressure to deliver a particular product by a specified time. It's unclear to me if there will ultimately be a different PoE 2 client for China. For now there is not but it's not particularly relevant to the points I've made. The point is, Tencent has a certain expectation that PoE 2 will be profitable to them, particularly as PoE 1 has been and that results in business pressure that can result in bad management decisions.

You may disagree and not view these things as P2W and that's fine, it's only peripherally relevant to my view of where the internal pressures influenced bad management decisions anyway.

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MirrorMelter#5570 wrote:

Seriously, don't worry about psycho-players. They don't seem to be aware that the game is free. Do what you can the best you can and this is all that matters.

Game is free only in theory, otherwise show me in practice your four basic tabs endgame enjoyment.

Listen what they said about Path of Exile 1 developement (Timestamped as Future of Path of Exile 1, link in spoiler below) and get your facts straight, before you jump again on people who reminding GGG about negligence of their favourite title.



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Do what you can the best you can and this is all that matters, you say? Maybe start listening to GGG own words in latest damage control announcements, let me list just latest for you:

- This is not the level of service you should expect from Grinding Gear Games and we are very sorry for the extended downtime.
- You deserve better customer service than we’ve been able to provide despite the best efforts from our team and for this we are sorry.


On top of that there are clients who are locked and doesnt have access to their account due to GGG data breach, which is on company wrongdoing and not on users. They are vocal on forum and still wait for help, so while you enjoying your time ingame there are clients punished for no reason with customer service still far from acceptable state.

Edit: Removed [/quote] leftover.

I suppose one way to get POE1 fixed is for people to stop playing the painful POE2. That would focus their minds.