Exp loss on death topics are getting out of hand.

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

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Deliverme#3978 wrote:

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2WENRDHo3g&t=0s

If you are getting one shot by some random mobs, you, yes, you and your build may have a problem.

This is SUCH A BAAAAD take

Im level 90, over 2500 life, fully res capped, and I should be able to walk without dying to something I cannot see on the ground.

I am super duper glad youre having a blasty blast, but your take that it is "Git gud loser" is so presumptuous, and also just bad for build diversity.

Life builds in general just get blown up to "god knows what" all the time. It is very difficult to even hit 3k life. Hell at 90 with 2500+, I have very high life rolls on every single piece. I imagine that to hit 3k life, I would needa LOT of strength, which I literally cant fit into my build. I dont know if 3k would save me from dying to "god knows what on the floor that I cant see" but, the point is... it isnt build, unless you think everyone should just go CI?

2,5k life as a life build is pretty damn low. no wonder youre dying. i play a titan, sitting on 4,7k life full res capped, 74% block with 12k armour, not dying to anything in maps. your build sucks

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

He is kind of right though. The balance between es and life builds is way off, i think u will find that its damn near impossible to get much more than 3k hp with most builds except warrior/titan. In poe 1 i could easily scale 5k and above with any class while have much more armour than is even possible in poe 2 + the armour equation is almost 2.5 times worse in poe 2. Meanwhile i see ES builds running around with 15-20 k hp having absolutely no problems at all and plenty of options to scale more es in the skill tree while life nodes are completely absent. So in the end its balance that is needed which was expected since its EA and not xp loss on death which is fine. I actually scaled one of my builds in poe 1 above 30k hp

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

Replying to somebody else's feedback makes me upset? Are you like okay? He/she quoted one of my replies, I answer it. What am I suppose to do? Ignore it?

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

Who is forcing him to like the inventory system? Plain and simple, its one question, you quoted it. Do you put words on somebody else's post like you think your assumption is always right?

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Vinsdvalh#0247 wrote:

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

Replying to somebody else's feedback makes me upset? Are you like okay? He/she quoted one of my replies, I answer it. What am I suppose to do? Ignore it?

Kind of, yes. When you call somebody's feedback "cancer", that doesn't sound like a cool guy tone.

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

Who is forcing him to like the inventory system? Plain and simple, its one question, you quoted it. Do you put words on somebody else's post like you think your assumption is always right?

It feel like "forcing to like" is kind of the answer of every complaint about xp loss. "Don't like it ? deal with it, part of the core system".

Your questions are clearly a trap you set to just put down his take on inventory systems.

Maybe my assumptions are always right and you're only spitting facts and reason, and we're both about to turn water into wine.

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

When did I use the term cancer to quote someone else's post? I mean if you are going to use your assumption even before I answer, what's the point? what's there to discuss? Does my question "trap" you into putting your question down?

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

I see this tactic as a very common thing when it comes to arguments. Someone "assumes" x poster is angry, annoyed, upset or whatever the term you want to use, then someone prowls and follows it up. It doesn't work like that in a proper argument, that is even if you can make one.

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Vinsdvalh#0247 wrote:

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

When did I use the term cancer to quote someone else's post? I mean if you are going to use your assumption even before I answer, what's the point? what's there to discuss? Does my question "trap" you into putting your question down?

Literally the first line of the thread : "This forum section of POE 2 EA has been so obnoxiously cancer to say the least."

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

I see this tactic as a very common thing when it comes to arguments. Someone "assumes" x poster is angry, annoyed, upset or whatever the term you want to use, then someone prowls and follows it up. It doesn't work like that in a proper argument, that is even if you can make one.

The thing is we don't need an argument. It's feedback, we don't care about your argument, we don't care about your opinion when we give feedback, we're not talking to you. Just make your own thread saying you want to change and don't want to be changed, and you know what, good for you you're giving feedback and i'm not gonna go to your thread telling you you're wrong. But making a thread saying people giving their opinion is cancer, is feedback about feedback, not about the game, and it's none of your damn business.

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

He is kind of right though. The balance between es and life builds is way off, i think u will find that its damn near impossible to get much more than 3k hp with most builds except warrior/titan. In poe 1 i could easily scale 5k and above with any class while have much more armour than is even possible in poe 2 + the armour equation is almost 2.5 times worse in poe 2. Meanwhile i see ES builds running around with 15-20 k hp having absolutely no problems at all and plenty of options to scale more es in the skill tree while life nodes are completely absent. So in the end its balance that is needed which was expected since its EA and not xp loss on death which is fine. I actually scaled one of my builds in poe 1 above 30k hp

Since armor is in a really bad place right now, I would slightly agree with your take but builds with 80+% block is just on a different level. Like what I said in one of our conversation, watch Steelmage's warcry/totem build that has I think almost 83 or 85% block. Going back to the topic, it doesn't matter if you have 10k hp pool, if you walk to those on death effects, even CI with 14k over ES via grim feast will get destroyed.

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

Negative feedback could be :

"I think the ratio of time spent in maps for this amount of XP in opposition to the risks taken while fighting occasional Uber bosses is slighlty off ; resulting in a much harder leveling for the last 5-10 levels while mainly playing a balanced hybrid defence/offence build in magic to rare maps, with 2-4 affixes, between t12 and t16."


But instead we have :

"Remove XP penalty, it's useless and I hate it. GGG makes all of us lose our time. I can't progress with my glasscanon, I get one shoted by white mobs from offscreen in T18 fully juiced WTF, losing my citadel, map, and all my XP earned in a full week on top of it. It's a trash game, dead in one week time for sure. I'll sue you for wasting my precious time. Freaking no-lives hc egomaniacs elitists ruined again a great casual game with 50yo dumb mecanics. Please nerffff".


Go figure.

The feelings of others matter.

You don't recognize them as valid, which is what the issue is. Wake up. A good game company translates the feelings into changes. It's not up to a player to make suggestions or give feedback in the way you want it to be given. And even when it has, you're still arguing with people. There's tons of your posts in here. It's crazy. Take a break man.


Why does PoE 2 need to be based around grinding? We have PoE 1 that's grind central. Do we really need.. two games to grind? Think about it, because you like grinding, right? Well, grinding two games is really difficult and even more time consuming. Which one will you pick?

It's funny that you mention grinding too, because when games are good. People will play them for decades. Completely as casuals. Just look at DotA, or League. I have 6000 hours in DotA on steam, and I was playing DotA allstars back when it was first coming out in WC3. I never cared to be good at the game, and I still enjoyed it either way.

PoE 2 has no need to be forced into a grinding game category to do well, and defending this stance is basically asking for PoE 1 to be neglected.

If the effective max level for people is 90. Then they can just get rid of the extra 10 levels.

People should be able to get to these levels within reasonable time-frames if they exist. Not everyone can sit and play PoE for 6, 7, 8+ hours a day. If I have 2 hours to play, I don't want to play for 1.9 hours, and then get distracted by my girlfriend coming into the room to remind me we have to go do something, and then I die to a random enemy that kills me while I'm looking away from the computer, losing 2 hours of my time.

This never has been a good mechanic, and it never will be. There's at least another dozen ways to solve the issue of gating players and forcing them to consider their builds/gear. And they're much more effective. And largely, if you start dying in PoE, you'll just keep dying. You might be able to bruteforce your way through a boss, but the next maps get harder and harder.


Games that force grinding in them, play heavily off peoples ego's, and addictive tendencies. And GGG has even thrown in some gambling with the orbs. And if you take a look at it even further. The fact that you're forced to stay online to trade further reinforces all of these things.

This game is unhealthy. And people are trying to tell you it's unhealthy, and your ego is getting in the way of this realization. It's unhealthy because of the time required, it's unhealthy because of the frustrations built into the gameplay, and it's unhealthy because of the mindset it breeds in people. Superiority complexes, and looking down on 'casuals', as if they don't make up like 90% of gamers worldwide. And it's unhealthy because of the way GGG has implemented the ways to keep you engaged in the game. Ways that aren't fun, and are instead rather frustrating. Which is ultimately what games are about, Fun.

Addicts get into a cycle that's very similar to abusive relationships with video games like this. Where it's frustration and more frustration. But you'll keep playing because maybe, just maybe, you'll get that unique you've been wanting and it'll all be worth it. Except, the games never going to change. It's just going to keep love bombing you. And you'll keep defending it.

You are acting entitled, asking to get what others more involved people get with their time without spending as much time yourself, or to remove their endgoals' difficulty so you can reach their too. It's not fair for them.

You are acting like a victim, because if other players are playing the game better than you, you think they look down on you for doing so. That's your own issue, as a player reaching a hard goal has the right to be proud of his own accomplishment. If you have a problem with it, it is -your- problem : you feel jealous, envious, and intimidated, even though nobody said anything to you or even bragged about it. That's even weirder because PoE is mostly a solo game.

Now you don't understand why PoE2 is a grinding game. Bruh, the company that makes the game is called "Grinding Gear Games", on reference of the playstyle of grinding gear items. Are you that clueless ?

Now, you start to realize the ENDLESS ENDGAME is a unhealthy time sink. Please read again. It's a ENDLESS ENDGAME. See those words ? It means it's without end, and after the game. Get it ? No ? Fine, let's explain : every video game with a endgame offer the option for the players to keep playing the game after it is finished, roughly for ever. No, it's not healthy to play forever, for sure. But it's not the game, it's after the game, once the campaign is done, which is what everybody, casuals and tryhards, can enjoy together. How do you offer a endless experience to those willing to continue ? Generally with a lot of RNGs for variation, side goals that take a lot of time to reach, and the usual infinite trading experience.

What YOU want is the endgame experience and side goals to be made part of the base game, aka the campaign, because you want to reach those goals as a casual without spending the endless time required to reach it. If GGG did so, they wouldn't have a endgame for people to keep playing forever anymore, would they ?

The problem you have, as an entitled casual, is to think clearing the endgame is the mandatory experience to enjoy the game as a whole. It's not. The campaign is enough. There is nothing wrong with buying a game 30$, clearing the campaign in 50-100H, having a simple glance at the endgame, and putting the game down to do something else. Maybe make one other character to redo the campaign with more currency in the chest, maybe explore the possibilities of the Atlas for the fun of it, but that's it. IT'S OKAY. Respect yourself, your limit, and your time.

But if you want -everything- the ENDLESS ENDGAME has to offer, and complain that it is too much, to hard, and too long to obtain, you just don't understand what the ENDLESS ENDGAME is about, and who it is for. You aren't entitled to get it all just "because it exist".

Change your mindset.

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

Replying to somebody else's feedback makes me upset? Are you like okay? He/she quoted one of my replies, I answer it. What am I suppose to do? Ignore it?

Who is forcing him to like the inventory system? Plain and simple, its one question, you quoted it. Do you put words on somebody else's post like you think your assumption is always right?

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

He is kind of right though. The balance between es and life builds is way off, i think u will find that its damn near impossible to get much more than 3k hp with most builds except warrior/titan. In poe 1 i could easily scale 5k and above with any class while have much more armour than is even possible in poe 2 + the armour equation is almost 2.5 times worse in poe 2. Meanwhile i see ES builds running around with 15-20 k hp having absolutely no problems at all and plenty of options to scale more es in the skill tree while life nodes are completely absent. So in the end its balance that is needed which was expected since its EA and not xp loss on death which is fine. I actually scaled one of my builds in poe 1 above 30k hp

Since armor is in a really bad place right now, I would slightly agree with your take but builds with 80+% block is just on a different level. Like what I said in one of our conversation, watch Steelmage's warcry/totem build that has I think almost 83 or 85% block. Going back to the topic, it doesn't matter if you have 10k hp pool, if you walk to those on death effects, even CI with 14k over ES via grim feast will get destroyed.

Yes and also no. I myself can survive several on death mechanics depending on map mods and type of course and how many overlapping ground effects they spawn. Yes block is really good in many situations but having block cap or even going 83-85% block chance is still just a 85% chance of not getting oneshot when u cant scale ur other defences properly (life/armour in particular). One thing i learned from my 15k+ hours of poe 1 over more than a decade of playing is 1 defence type is not the way u want to go if u want to survive and be really tanky, its layers of different mechanics/defences that does the job. These mechanics seem absent in poe 2 and atm i think u are better of using a cloak of flame + a bit of armour than stacking armour. Life is completely removed from the tree except for a 3% node while there ar tons of great es nodes