[0.2] Cold Chronomancer Megathread. Let's see how we can survive this.

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SoFGamlet#1478 wrote:

Un, I was kind of okay until lvl 22-25. I entered Burial Shrines at lvl 22 and finished it at lvl 25. Spent more than hour. I guess, time to sit few days and wait for new imbalanced builds. Because Chronomancer didn't become any better in any aspect. It's complete trash, let's be honest. Cold skills worked best of all elements. Still shit compared to what I see on gas arrow classes. Nice gamedesign though. Previous league it was Stormweaver/Invoker/Deadeye, this league it will be amazon/deadeye/pathfinder. Tasty.

Yeah, mid of act 2 was bad. I started to feel it in Keth. And it was until lvl 28 where I switched to Crest of Ardura.

It's not just Chronomancer, sorceress in general is quite bad to start.

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I'm cruising through act 3 now, smooth af.

To add to my previous post:

- Bought 2 support uncuts for Considered Casting and Icicle.
- Lesser jewellers from the beginning of act 3 for Frost Bomb.
- Upgraded some gear at Troubled Camp for gold. Sometimes they have really nice stuff.

And that's it. Feels good.

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UPD: Well, that's it for me. Unfortunately, I'm dropping the game close to the end of act 3. Not really bc of the game changes, I just don't feel like playing now.

Good luck, ya'll. Cya next time =)

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Also, just in case. I killed Zicoatl boss in 35 seconds.

In comparison, in the demo video I killed him in 20 seconds with the twink gear.

what are you running for spirit?

t1:
since no flamewall, its not srs.

don't seem to be building es, I assume not convalescence.

mana remnants

arctic armor. lulz.

act 3, you might be at t2 spirit options. I forget exactly when you get those.




Mana remnants.
it itself has not changed.

remnants last 8s by default.
21-208mana, +30 at 20% quality.
25% chance to spawn on killing a shocked enemy, 100% chance to spawn on criting a shocked enemy.
remnant mana can overflow max mana.
can only occur once every 2s.

238 mana every 2s that you manually need to go over and pick up was not really good enough to slot before.

.2 has added some supports though.
Dissipate. last 3s +35% increased effect.
magnetism. +10spirit costs. 100% more pick up range.
interlude. effects of remnant are delayed 3s. 25% inc effect.

381 mana every 2s, with 3s delay, and on ground for 3s worth?
40 spirit, for increased pick up range.

first thought is, probably not. second thought is, what other options do we even have for end game mana options? lol

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monik390#5560 wrote:

Meanwhile, killed Geonor on the 3rd try (2.5 minute fight) and Hyena boss in 1 try. And that's it for today.

For Act 1 I went for Potent Incantation. Finished Roil ring in early Act 2, now it's time to go for some Crit.

Running with 2 gelid staves atm. 1 was with +2 cold (swapped for spd + crit later from Geonor my dawg), and updating Freezing Shards frequently.

Nova definitely feels stronger, but it's not as good at freezing. Previously, Unleash + Glaciation almost always froze enemies. Now it kills more often than freeze.

Frost Bomb aoe increase is very noticeable.

I probably will stick with gelids until I find a decent wand.

I wish you good luck I hope you come up with something at a later stage I am not able to play like this it takes so long the game has lost so much dynamics and speed that playing and waiting for the frostbomb to explode.... it takes so long between hits that I feel like committing seppuku. I will pass on the title until better people than me figure out whether it is possible to play it on normal difficulty. (I am counting on you)

Yep, Arctic Armour =) I found it to be most useful to me this early.

Azak Bog witch for CoF, but I didn't put anything there and just was running with AA.

I thought about Cold Snap, but there would be mana issues and freeze removal that isn't what we are looking for.

Not much to choose from, really.

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Anyway, I'm done for now. Will play again when I feel like it. Probably, the shortest league in my PoE history.

yeah, CDR shield probably makes just going right into nothing but bomb/wall combo totally viable way early.

with the reduced freezebuildup, not breaking the freeze is even more important.

without the shield;
coldsnap can be spam cast on frost bolt though. very high dps.
scattershot frostbolt, and unleashed coldsnap should work well.




arctic armor. I mean one of the biggest complaints is monsterspeed, and not being able to keep them off you. so honestly, not a bad choice.

AA+vitality 30+20=50spirit
convalescense+clarity+persistance 30+10=40

90 spirit for both. scepter is enough right from the get go, in act1.
very powerful defense setup.



Edit: hotfix says Discipline/purity auras were fixed. and quick checking, yep its working.

discipline is +TOTAL es.
so its a flat addition, that does not scale with ES passives.

level 20 sceptre.
Aura grants +(18–328) to Total Maximum Energy Shield
Aura grants (0–20)% increased Energy Shield Recharge Rate

so, even though it doesn't scale. thats pretty great. I think very possibly the best choice now.
its also a "free" buff/aura passive slot, that scales without greater/perfect gems. for clarity, warmblooded, mystiscim, etc.

Well, after some thougts i think i just got tired today. I think i'll take my time with the game slowly.

Few things to rant on.

I went on reddit, and some twitch/yt. Holy cow, wtf is happening?

So much whining... People fight bosses for 15 mins, delete characters bc they fight white mobs for too long, hundreds of deaths in acts 1-3, whatever else...

Sheesh. I mean I had hard times this launch - lvls 23-28 and that's it dammit. But it definitely wasn't as bad as for other people I saw.

Also, it still was way better than my overall campaign experience on EA launch fr, when no one knew wtf to do. Act 1 final boss? Duh, I died just 3 times this launch, and it took less than 7 minutes in total to finish him. On a release? Whew... Probably 40-50 minutes. Just this boss alone. Dying over and over again with 0 dps.
Act 2 final boss was a little bit better back then, but still.

This time? I never died on act 2 bosses. Damage wise, past lvl 28 it becomes better and better, and I was expecting that.

I leveled several sorceresses in 0.1, and I know how bad they are w/o twink gear no matter what to do. Recent races only confirmed this - there were just a handful of sorcs in ladder, and they were much slower than every other class.

Even with the twink gear, there are several breakpoints when they become good, and those breakpoints are different depending on the element of choice.

This time it's even harder bc GGG didn't think about early game properly.

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I started to feel good only in act 3 with some initial investment (I spent 7 ex in total so far).

Sorceress early game is very gear dependent. And we clearly have to know what to do, what to get, and when.

Things I saw from other people are... Most of their suffering is nowhere near close to what I experienced on EA launch.

/Rant over.

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Casia#1093 wrote:

yeah, CDR shield probably makes just going right into nothing but bomb/wall combo totally viable way early.

with the reduced freezebuildup, not breaking the freeze is even more important.

without the shield;
coldsnap can be spam cast on frost bolt though. very high dps.
scattershot frostbolt, and unleashed coldsnap should work well.

I had really great times with CDR shield, and bomb/wall combo with scaled AoE when I tried it back then, and made lvling guide with it.

This time, it is good too. Both control and damage is here. Esp bc of the wall CD increase. Currently, wall/bomb 1-2 combo clears blue packs almost always.

Problem here is - wall CD in the endgame. Definitely not as spammable as it was. Basically, with CDR shield it's about the same as w/o it previously.
This is the reason I actually ditched a really good focus (>100% increased damage in total and some crit chance) for CDR shield.

Another thing - I really should get damn Blasphemy instead of CoF. Curse cost a lot of mana. Like almost half of my current pool.
And CoF doesn't have as much impact, as Hypothermia in blasphemy.

My thing on Cold Snap I biased on - it dealt less damage than Freezing Shards shotgunning previously, so I ditched the idea of using it back then. Not sure about now, didn't do math on it and didn't try it too. But I kinda question if frostbolt + cold snap combo is better than spamming shards.

see what thoughts you come to, what knowledge you have and what you do to play at some normal level and now take a casual player or a novice.... if this game is supposed to be for a handful of people who are so familiar with the dependencies and nuances of builds and skills, then at this point this game has just lost its "5 minutes of fame"

personally I do not intend to play in the new league, I hope you will manage to create a character for the endgame and share the build then we will be able to play something

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Roboczewl#8364 wrote:

see what thoughts you come to, what knowledge you have and what you do to play at some normal level and now take a casual player or a novice.... if this game is supposed to be for a handful of people who are so familiar with the dependencies and nuances of builds and skills, then at this point this game has just lost its "5 minutes of fame"

personally I do not intend to play in the new league, I hope you will manage to create a character for the endgame and share the build then we will be able to play something

I can relate, it's totally understandable. 5 months ago it was exactly like this for me too.

We started with our chronos, were having a stupidly terrible experience, and there were all those monks, infernalists, and stormweavers that crushed everything. Esp on twitch.

This time it's the same. Dudes with either knowledge or winning lottery with classes/skills/approaches are crushing it.

And the majority of people just not there. It feels even more bitter esp after our previous experience with insanely powerful toons that spoiled us.

Funny fact here:



Pathfinder, Stormweaver, Chronomancer, Bloodmage, Acolyte of Chayula.

Least played ascendancies at the moment, from more popular to least popular (poor acolyte).

yeah, reddit/streamers are in revolt.

theres a few things.
1. all these nerfs, and enemies not nerfed. enemies are just on top of you nonstop. its not fun.
add in the massive nerfs to ailment threshold, and minor stuns. its much easier for players to get over whelmed.

we as cold mages have chill at min, but more likely go directly to freeze to keep them off us.
try that as a huntress with throwing spears.

2. new hotness turned out horrible. spectres are horrible. spears horrible.
this is like chaos at launch. we started cold, and cold turned out good.
Imagine you started with the idea of making a chaos dot mage, and how frustrated you would have been.

3.swarms of white mobs taking 5minutes to kill. ooph.

4. mana. I still don't know how we are going to deal with this. it was bad before. Im starting from scratch, and not just jumping on my standard chrono to figure it out. so won't have an answer for a while.

5. small things add up. imagine you started with war, and were planning on going smith. doing ascendancy, and it just not being there.. everything after that would just piss you off.

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Casia#1093 wrote:

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yeah, reddit/streamers are in revolt.

theres a few things.
1. all these nerfs, and enemies not nerfed. enemies are just on top of you nonstop. its not fun.
add in the massive nerfs to ailment threshold, and minor stuns. its much easier for players to get over whelmed.

we as cold mages have chill at min, but more likely go directly to freeze to keep them off us.
try that as a huntress with throwing spears.

2. new hotness turned out horrible. spectres are horrible. spears horrible.
this is like chaos at launch. we started cold, and cold turned out good.
Imagine you started with the idea of making a chaos dot mage, and how frustrated you would have been.

3.swarms of white mobs taking 5minutes to kill. ooph.

4. mana. I still don't know how we are going to deal with this. it was bad before. Im starting from scratch, and not just jumping on my standard chrono to figure it out. so won't have an answer for a while.

5. small things add up. imagine you started with war, and were planning on going smith. doing ascendancy, and it just not being there.. everything after that would just piss you off.

True. After things I saw, I think we are actually on a winning side... Well, by half of the toe. At least. For now.