I feel cheated

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Aldonés wrote:

I have no intention of selling it. Simply put having one of the rarest items in the game drop and then finding out I could have just bought one for a drop in the bucket was disappointing.

I mean it is until you realise all the similar drop weight T0s that you've probably had loads of lmao

I've had 3 fishing rods so far for example, what great items they could have been!

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exsea wrote:

i've played 10 fucking years

So. Many. Support Packs. o.O

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RitualMurder wrote:

So you don't want the really cool item to enjoy and play in the game, the fact that you found it is meaningless because you cant sell it?

man this community is in a sorry state...

I think its more sad when long time players misunderstand something a lot of us relate to.

For the longest time, headhunter was the status symbol, and a grail that most players would never see. It shouldn't be hard to understand why one would feel disappointment given how expensive they were when exalts were the mainstay.

I myself remember when I finally managed to chance one that it was fairly underwhelming given the work I had put in chasing it. I'm still chasing a mageblood and maybe a mirror, but I frequently lose interest after a map or two. Chasing the proverbial carrot only goes so far.

i misunderstand nothing
all a lot of people seem to care about now is how many div/hr they are making instead of enjoying the game and playing it

dude found one of the rarest items in the game and isnt happy because he cant immediately sell it for div do you not see how sad that is???
the item isnt special to them only the div are
thats really really sad.... and speaks to a core issue developed in this community over the past few years
makes me sad

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RitualMurder wrote:

i misunderstand nothing
all a lot of people seem to care about now is how many div/hr they are making instead of enjoying the game and playing it

dude found one of the rarest items in the game and isnt happy because he cant immediately sell it for div do you not see how sad that is???
the item isnt special to them only the div are
thats really really sad.... and speaks to a core issue developed in this community over the past few years
makes me sad

I agree with Ritual on this.....the excitement should be the item itself, value notwithstanding.

Headhunter is fun to build around and its super super rare. Whether its worth 100d or 10d, that fact doesn't change. Same with MB.

Mirror drops are slightly different because its already a currency item, so the thought is immediately to currency. But even then, if I drop a mirror I'm not thinking to SELL the mirror......I'm thinking about what perfect item I can actually now mirror for my current and future builds. Like.....what else is currency used for if not better items? And what better item than a perfect mirror-tier item to actually USE the mirror on (rather than just sell it).

If you start to think of these things as "status symbols"....you have lost something incredibly important. No one else gives a damn about your HH or your MB or your 20k divs or your 40/40. The only thing that matters is your own enjoyment of playing the game. There is no functional "showing off to other players" in this world because.....we don't care.

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BlueTemplar85 wrote:

I don't understand what you mean. If T0 items are super rare, they should also be super expensive on trade ?

And it's not like PoE1 has a botting problem, since GGG messes with the drops of players they flag as bots ?

I could see this maybe being an issue in the super-rich Standard leagues, (and where cleanup of bot-derived and bugged items might not have been consistent over the years ?), but you're talking about SoK leagues, aren't you ?

The OP laments spending thousands of hours to only now find a HH. This is what I've addressed in my comment.

The second instalment of their spiral is that because the value is so low, we're to infer that it either shouldn't have taken so long to find, or it should be worth much more. In a league where you can have mappers looting for you 24/7 and people are passively receiving mirrors, shards, MB's etc, without a dollop of MF, either direction isn't worth indulging in.

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Sadaukar wrote:

I too dropped my first HH this league, after 11 years of playing this game. Even tho I don't use it anymore and the value has since dropped from ~60 div to 9 div it's still something I won't forget in a while.
Same as my first and only Mageblood in SSF from a Voidborn Key in Affliction.

Heads up and savour the moment. Trade value isn't everything.
Also it's very fun to use in maps. (except shroudwalker :D)

Ten years and 11,000+ hours and I dropped my first HH this league. Awesome moment! I have bought them before but dropping one was much better. I'm still waiting to drop a mirror and a Mageblood.

I love playing with it.

its a game with a trade economy. people do care.


playing ssf is cool, nothing wrong with that, but playing trade is also a thing and items having value and desire in the economy/among the community is a factor there.

that isnt sad, we are social animals, the version of the game where we interact and care about what each other is doing is natural and healthy, the game has been designed to encourage that. its not something thats gone wrong, its a core design principal of making items in the game feel valuable which is essential to an item finding game.


games like D3 where REALLY no one cares about the value of your items are also games where no one really cares that much about their own items either, these things are linked.




theres a reason you people are in these forums. there is something incredibly important about shared experiences for most people.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

its a game with a trade economy. people do care.


playing ssf is cool, nothing wrong with that, but playing trade is also a thing and items having value and desire in the economy/among the community is a factor there.

Completely disagree. Even in trade, peopel don't give a damn how, why, or when you got your HH. They only care that THEY want the HH. There is nothing "social" about it beyond one person wanting the same item you have. It is not a "personal" or "social" interaction, it is one of pure necessity and selfishness.

You conflate two very different things: value and care. Value certainly matters, but that is a one-sided feeling. Everyone wants the most bang for their buck, no matter what. Whether they are buying or selling, they are thinking how best they can valuate THEMSELVES. Value is only as high as what one party selfishly deems it to be adequate for their end.

Care on the other hand, would be if you happen to then also talk to that trade partner and start chatting about how fantastic it is that they dropped their HH, how did they play with it, how much fun was it, etc. But that simply doesn't happen. It is a pure transaction.

When you go to the grocery store to pick up a box of cereal or some deli meats, you don't "care" about the company selling the cereal or the store itself. No.....you just want the cereal box.



Furthermore, as the OP did, when you reduce a great find or a great moment to "How many divs is this worth?", you are lessening the whole gaming experience to a market simulator, cheapening the entire gaming experience to its bare minimum. It's like if someone just stares at their Exilence Next valuation watching it tick higher or lower, there's no game involved anymore.

Bah, so many people misunderstand what I'm saying. I can't say I've followed the market very well, but I think this league in particular saw a huge influx of T0 uniques early on with the Nameless Seer, and a sustained influx with Tujen's shipments.

I've had the rarest item drop since I've started playing, and until Mageblood was introduced, the pinnacle chase item. I was never going to sell it. I might have had it dropped 1-2 months ago but not now. I am lamenting that such an iconic item has fallen so far in value as to be something I could have realistically planned a build around at league launch. I've had several more valuable drops, but nothing I've been so excited to see.

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Aldonés wrote:

has fallen so far in value as to be something I could have realistically planned a build around at league launch. I've had several more valuable drops, but nothing I've been so excited to see.

But....this is all hindsight. You had no idea back then it would drop in price. Even the first full month of the league the price of HH was way higher, which had even more impact back then because less farming time = higher value divs.

So the fact that it dropped NOW, when the value of a HH is lower is.....next to meaningless. You wouldn't have changed how you started the league, you wouldn't have been able to.

I don't see why this should have much of an effect on your enjoyment of the item.

Hindsight's a bitch, but its also rather unhelpful. You didn't have the information back then that you have now.

FOMO is only as powerful as you let it be.

The only time I might feel similarly "cheated" would be if I already BOUGHT a HH at a more expensive price, then had my first raw HH drop a few weeks later when it plummeted in value. When the item is ACTUALLY useless to me at that point. But as long as it is still a HH drop, my only HH....it still holds all the "value" of a HH item. Even moreso if I'm NOT planning to sell it.