GGG has taken the first step.
"well since ssf is just no trade/party. meaning if the core game is based on having instant buy out it will most likely made harder because of it? "Now all that's left is for you getting on your knees."
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" It's funny how you dodged the part where i'm talking about eve online. Eve online is litteraly an economic simulation with very invested people, dedicated community, and it have RMT inside the game in the form of PLEX. And you know what ? the economy here is way healthier than PoE. And you know why ? Because the more people will be able to use the market, the more stable it will be. Right now the vast majority of players don't bother to trade or just do the bare minimum, it's because trading ATM is very obnoxious. By making trade easier, more people will do trade and invest in it, making the impact of bot less visible. Because right now the market is heavily manipulated by TFT and bots, and they will do anything they can to gatekeep it and continue to control it. You sir, seems to be a gatekeeper. | |
" They don't magically change the rest of the game because there's instant buying now. On the contrary, itemized Betrayal is a huge W for SSF because you can now stock up on stuff like Vorice white sockets, 30% quality etc. before doing big crafts The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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" That sir, is pure BS and speculation. Because if there are way more items on the market (because if trade is easier, more poeple will trade) it will be way harder to buy everything of X as it is right now. You are making a huge mistake here, you are assuming that with or without an AH, the number of people that do trade will stay the same. Of course, if it stay the same, bots and hoarder will be able to manipulate the market way more easier. But by making an AH and trade easier, there will be way, way, WAY more items in the market because way more people will be selling them, and with instant buy/sell order, much more people will be willing to sell 1C items. And if items rise in price, it change nothing because you will be able to sell for more too, you know, you can sell too, not only buy ? Again, go look at eve online, the big market allow much more for more casual people to play and to do trade, while it can "hurt" high end gamers who spend a lot of time on the game (because market manipulation is much harder) it's for the better. I'm sorry that you will not be able anymore to abuse the market, bot, do currency trade and control as you can now, but it is for the better. The game need better trading, or it will just die to last epoch, because before last epoch, there were none semi casual alternative to path of exile (yeah i know, diablo 2, but the game is 25 years old...) Because again, yes, even if poe will stay good and enjoyable for high end gamers, it's not the 0.1% that allow the game to live and make money, but it's the 99.9% reste of the playerbase. And if they leave, poe will be no more. Last edited by Domah on Jan 31, 2024, 5:58:04 AM
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" Cause I can't take someone serious if they start to use Eve as an argument or market comparison. The game has barely any active players at all since years. You should take a look at more successful games with a larger amount of active players and see how fucked the market is on these games, or how bad they suffer with trade bots. The current state of PoE is already terrible with the ever growing amount of trade bots with each league and the instant buy will only make it worse. But I bet you don't have any experience with any large games, or a market at all, so you wouldn't know how it is. You don't even seem to be that active in PoE either to actually have a clue about the impact of the current trade bots. " More like more bots will appear at the same time thanks to the easier trading and nothing will really change. Actually the opposite cause if someone wants to flip or own an entire market of something they are literally able to do that with a instant buy market. The slower trading pretty much prevents that a little bit, but if everything works within clicks people are able to turn an entire market within just a few seconds with the help of bots. " And you fail to see how much more control they get by having access to any item at any giving time without being slowed down by the slower trading, or people not wanting to trade with them? " More like a person with some knowledge out of other online games. It's not hard to follow the current situation and count 1 and 1 together to know what's going to happen if you give certain people access to a instant buy feature. I'm sure tft and all the china rmt websites already rub their hands in delight with these news. You also don't account the fact that drop rates are going to be even worse thanks to easier trading, forcing you to farm even more or trade more to get whatever you want. So it only hurts most of all players in the end while the upper end of bot and rmt players benefit the most out of the situation. If you ask me the game should have no trading at all and be fully balanced around ssf or small group play. People who actively play are getting rewarded for their efforts while the lazy instant gratification one button click folks ends up hardstuck. The only way it should be and gaming experience or item progression shouldn't be locked behind trading or insane artificial low drop rates (thanks to trading being a thing) to begin with, at least not in a hack&slay arpg game. Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun. Last edited by Pashid on Jan 31, 2024, 6:26:34 AM
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" To be fair here; a lot of people are asking for that. I think the middle ground is the best way to go. And while I'm fairly positive to the solution they are going with, there are quite a few... "Cons" with the upcoming "solution". Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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There are bad ideas and then there are BAD ideas. And this is the latter.
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Trading sucks in its current iteration. Make it easier and it'll make things less valuable by virtue of there being more people playing. But that's also a good thing -- more people, more data points for GGG. Itemmization is the way to go.
"Bonus points if it is Scion/Witch because they have nice knees. Ranger has ugly knees and other characters are men so playing them would be homoerotic." - CAKE, 10/20/21
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Many "AH fans" believe that everything will be better with "one click from hideout" trade.
That belief comes from their current experience in the game, often from a wrong comparison to other games. They believe that everything will be much easier, that they will be more successful in the game when they save seconds or minutes on unnecessary clicks in the trading system to get to what they want? At the same time, comparison with Diablo, LE, Eve online, etc. in the trade part it is very wrong. These games share a certain matrix, but they are also different in many ways. I personally believe that the existing trade system in POE is the main thing that keeps this game alive and very active for all these 12 years, unlike some of the mentioned games that have almost disappeared for some time. But certainly nothing in POE2 will come with the current settings, many things will be changed and adapted to the new trading system. For sure, there will be angry people who will demand "shut down AH, give us back the old trade system". Last edited by xaerobb on Jan 31, 2024, 10:00:05 AM
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""itemized Betrayal" since when is that a thing? "Now all that's left is for you getting on your knees."
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