POE builds are overcomplicated mess.

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Riorrrrrr wrote:

depends on the content. and there are apparently no all-round builds. Without 6x portals many things would be possible. but not like that. and there is still trash content with 1x life. therefore what?

Wrong. I was happy with my impending doom parhfinder and ea champion. Most mine builds are perfectly fine too. There is plenty of builds that are great allrounders.

I agree that the game is too easy for a long time and then out of a sudden, you get wrecked.

As for builds... there are a lot that can be played "Diablo 2" style. Get a marauder, get a two handed axe/ sword/ mace and crush your enemies.
You can play a witch with wands, no problem.

What you're seeing is often the absolute optimum that is possible if you can afford special items.
Or fun builds that break the mold, like a spell casting Ranger or something - some fun/ clever way to use mechanics that were actually made for a different playstyle.
These builds are often made popular by some streamer or other and then everyone talks about them - while the other viable, cheaper and/ or more traditional builds are overlooked a bit.

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Aynix wrote:

Stop looking at meta builds and all your problems will disappear.

Listen, last time I played I spent 5 minutes fighting one yellow mob. This geniuses introduced extra life (extra means something like 1000%), afixes with ginormous leech, so having 60k dps you constantly locking in ethernal battle with rare mobs.
You have to play meta build now, there is no other options left.

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dima_dunedin wrote:

You have to play meta build now, there is no other options left.

Wrong, you're completely with any non meta build as long as you don't build some zdps nonsense build. You can get 2kk or more damage easily on melee builds without trying and that with a decent survivability to enjoy the vast majority of the game. Casters have it even easier to get damage. If you end up with just 60k you clearly do something wrong in one or another way and should look at examples of how others play a certain skill, or just stick with the fool proof meta solution as those builds are pretty much easy to play and come with hundred of guides.

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PANTHEONE wrote:

Current build problem. This is that you need to buy an expensive unique item (some even have 2-3 unique expensive items) before your build starts working. Before you buy the items, you have to level up on a build that you don't want to play on.

I don't trade, this is tiresome process where you constantly need to chat with someone, drop everything to meet with someone and so on. And chances to find good items in this game are exactly zero.
Diablo 2 is still the best game in genre, 25 years later. The endgame is not locked behind 100 hours of grind, you can go to 85 lvl areas any time you want. You can farm godly items yourself in a couple of month. It is more challenging and yet balanced, you don't die there for no reason and you don't crash white mobs in one millisecond and then fighting yellow mob for 5 minutes straight.

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dima_dunedin wrote:

You have to play meta build now, there is no other options left.

Wrong, you're completely with any non meta build as long as you don't build some zdps nonsense build. You can get 2kk or more damage easily on melee builds

Well, I have marauder cyclone build with Atziri's Disfavour (which you have to farm from Uber Atziri only), 6 links on everything possible, 20 lvl 20% quality gems, lvl 93, and I spend minutes on every second 9-10 map just to kill one rare mob.
And this was meta build back in the day before they nerfed cyclone, I didnt make it myself. If I did, it would have 6k dps, because before you start making builds in this game you should spend 2 years reading PoE wiki and internet and get Ph.D in PoE science.

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dima_dunedin wrote:

Diablo 2 is still the best game in genre, 25 years later. The endgame is not locked behind 100 hours of grind, you can go to 85 lvl areas any time you want.

Don't get me wrong, I loved D2.
However, endgame isn't locked because there IS none to speak of.
As far as I remember, people would do cow levels ad nauseam and then Baal Runs ad nauseam or just have Pindle Bot farm items for them.
Then they introduced Überdiablo which was a sort of endgame, but compared to PoE that's nothing.

D2 was a masterpiece, no doubt. But its endgame was just nothing to write home about.

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dima_dunedin wrote:

Well, I have marauder cyclone build with Atziri's Disfavour (which you have to farm from Uber Atziri only), 6 links on everything possible, 20 lvl 20% quality gems, lvl 93, and I spend minutes on every second 9-10 map just to kill one rare mob.
And this was meta build back in the day before they nerfed cyclone, I didnt make it myself. If I did, it would have 6k dps, because before you start making builds in this game you should spend 2 years reading PoE wiki and internet and get Ph.D in PoE science.

Well no surprise that you do no dmg if you play a outdated build on likely even a outdated legacy weapon. The game changed a lot over the past years a lot after all so it shouldn't be really shocking that your characters performance is literally bad with outdated old gear and very likely outdated old passive choices.
But hey you don't need two years of reading to actually stay up to date with changes and how the game or build works. All you need to do is simply play the game with a up2date build and you automatically learn how you scale defensive stuff or offensive stuff on your own builds.

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Mikrotherion wrote:

However, endgame isn't locked because there IS none to speak of.

What is the difference between going to map, which represent area from the game, or simply going to this area directly?
There are different locations in every act of Diablo 2 with monster level 85, you just go there and farm. Same maps.

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dima_dunedin wrote:

What is the difference between going to map, which represent area from the game, or simply going to this area directly?

Because maps:
1. Affected by modifiers
2. Have content which never appears in the campaign
3. Have completely new layouts, which you never seen in campaign. For example Mesa, Grave Trough, Stagnation, Cold River. And a lot of uniques maps like Cortex, Dorynai's Machinarium, Death and Taxes etc

As for straight forward strategies.

Heavy Strike Barbarian (Juggernaut) capable to destroy bosses in second. Same goes for Double Strike, Glacial Hammer and many more melee skills.

If you want to play wands, it is good choice because wanders always were good end-game option. Kinetic Blast / Power Siphon Witch (Occultist) is very good at annihilating map content in zoom-zoom style.