No hardcore events? What?

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Jradlot21 wrote:

to get anywhere you need to be a God gamer

Wrong. You need to be an average gamer. There is literally no reason not to play HC if you play SC a lot, a couple hours per day. With such time investment (2-6 hr/day) you could improve your skills and forget about the Tutorial Mode (SC).

But this thread is not about personal preferences but about GGGs decision not to make events for HC.

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I also don't get why HC players want to use them.

Because the game with the bursts doesn't offer effective counter burst mechanics like D3 has. Also, if you think logout can fix all your survivability problems, you are deeply mistaken.

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JeagerX wrote:

You watch too much streaming to think every HC player play with a logout macro

Yes, we know. Only those that brag they play HC are using it.

Im playing HCSSFR and dont use logout macro, but quit game manually if it needed (it takes much more time).

And those who believe that the logout macro and just quiting PoE saves in any situation and that only this macro separates the SC player from HC player are very mistaken, most likely this person did not play HC at high level or played HC very little.
So, in PoE your character often disappears in less than a second and no macro can save you.

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Teret3 wrote:

Im playing HCSSFR and dont use logout macro, but quit game manually if it needed (it takes much more time).

And those who believe that the logout macro and just quiting PoE saves in any situation and that only this macro separates the SC player from HC player are very mistaken, most likely this person did not play HC at high level or played HC very little.
So, in PoE your character often disappears in less than a second and no macro can save you.

I think everyone is aware that a logout macro is no 100% death avoidance but that doesn't change the fact that it's undermining the whole point of playing hardcore. The idea is to have a significant cost of failure if you mess up, logout macro allows you to avoid that cost quite often or just opt out of stuff you deem too risky.

Where is even the difference between a hardcore player logging out of mavens memory game when he fails it and a softcore player just taking that death? It's exactly the same. Same for exarchs ball phase where HC players would just log out to skip the phase, or cortex forced teleport and so on and so forth.

I've seen videos of HC players doing "deathless" runs where they are forced to log out to avoid dying several times. It's a sad joke really. If you feel like you have to resort to this kind of nonsense you can just come clean and play softcore, there is no real difference. Aside from baseless ego stuff i guess.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

I think everyone is aware that a logout macro is no 100% death avoidance but that doesn't change the fact that it's undermining the whole point of playing hardcore. The idea is to have a significant cost of failure if you mess up, logout macro allows you to avoid that cost quite often or just opt out of stuff you deem too risky.

Where is even the difference between a hardcore player logging out of mavens memory game when he fails it and a softcore player just taking that death? It's exactly the same. Same for exarchs ball phase where HC players would just log out to skip the phase, or cortex forced teleport and so on and so forth.

I've seen videos of HC players doing "deathless" runs where they are forced to log out to avoid dying several times. It's a sad joke really. If you feel like you have to resort to this kind of nonsense you can just come clean and play softcore, there is no real difference. Aside from baseless ego stuff i guess.

The HC ego has its own basis, since HC players spend much more effort and time to achieve the same goals (especially if they die). While the SС player (not all, but the majority) lies in a chair, relaxing and playing cookie clicker, the HC player is tense and concentrated because the cost of a mistake is several days, or even several weeks of wasted time. The cost of an SC player mistake is 10% exp, thats nothing, the difference is colossal. There is no need to discount the merits of HC players, their ego has its own good reasons, even if we take into account the logout macro, although not everyone plays with it.

About HC players using (and succeeding with) logout macro. We have some hard numbers that reflect the reality instead of arbitrary opinions not properly based on that reality. The RIP numbers in HC leagues.
https://poe-racing.com/Hardcore_Ancestor sorting for 'living characters' gives 49 pages. The whole are 100 pages. So >50% RIPs. So either they dont use logout macro enough or it doest work very well.
Also note that this is TotA league which can (from HC perspective) be cheesed by playing TotA instead of playing the (from HC perspective) "real game where you can die".

And in HCSSF https://poe-racing.com/HC_SSF_Ancestor its 26 alive pages vs 94 all pages. (Retired characters need to be removed from the full.) So just ~28% alive. Despite TotA "cheese".

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Teret3 wrote:

The HC ego has its own basis, since HC players spend much more effort and time to achieve the same goals (especially if they die). While the SС player (not all, but the majority) lies in a chair, relaxing and playing cookie clicker, the HC player is tense and concentrated because the cost of a mistake is several days, or even several weeks of wasted time. The cost of an SC player mistake is 10% exp, thats nothing, the difference is colossal. There is no need to discount the merits of HC players, their ego has its own good reasons, even if we take into account the logout macro, although not everyone plays with it.

Thanks man, you really made me laugh there xD
Well, hf being "tense and concentrated" while sleepwalking blue tier 10 maps on a level 90+ meta build. I am certain it's stress pure xD

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Thanks man, you really made me laugh there xD
Well, hf being "tense and concentrated" while sleepwalking blue tier 10 maps on a level 90+ meta build. I am certain it's stress pure xD

Tier 10 blue maps are the only place in the game, as I understand it? The fact that the HC player puts much more effort into achieving the same goals is an obvious fact.
If you feel better discrediting the merits of HC players then thats your business, but it has nothing to do with reality.

Sure, it's an obvious fact that HC players need to put in more caution to achieve the same goals. It's also an obvious fact though that the vast majority of them isn't pushing half as far as SC players do.
If they do alch and go t16 that's already on the high end. Pinnacle bosses? Deli maps? Simulacrums? Uber bosses? Has any of the selfproclaimed HC pros here ever even attempted that kind of content? Obviously not.
The fact that there is only a single Voidforge available for trade in HC right now, 3 months into the league speaks volumes about what kind of content HC players do and it's clearly not the even remotely difficult stuff.

All you people do is avoid all risks. Play the game in the easiest and most boring way possible because your work goes down the drain if you don't. If you think that makes you some bigshot, fine, you're free to do that. Just don't expect others to take you seriously.
I almost fell of my chair when i looked at your profile with not a single level 90 build in it and your highest for this league being level 55. Making it harder for yourself and then getting stuck afterlike 5% of the content of the game because you can't handle anything past that. What a great accomplishment, truly...

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Teret3 wrote:

There is no need to discount the merits of HC players

Are you implying that HC players are automatically deserving of praise and esteem from everyone just for playing a harder mode of a video game? Sure, if you enjoy the thrill of HC and find it satisfying and personally rewarding, great for you, but don't expect that it means anything to anyone else. Playing HC isn't something that's by itself meritorious from everyone's personal point of view.