Is there anywhere to appeal TFT ban?
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Not really sure what your argument is Vendetta.
Someone posts screenshots showing TFT mods talk about RMTing makes them butthurt? Really, so then its impossible to show anything negative about PoE without being butthurt? Thats your defense? "Oh, proof of a problem directly from the source and documented via screenshots? Must be butthurt". Weird take but... uh, ok. Why should you care if they RMT? (Also, its hilarious that the defense of TFT RMTing is " like every other streamer does" so I guess we are past the hurdle of showing TFT and streamers largely RMT). I only care because Chris directly said they balance the game around RMT in the harvest manifesto. Thats it. Very simple. If they expect you to RMT to play on the level the game is balanced for, it feels neither compelling nor reasonable to me. Your mileage may vary. If you enjoy not RMTing in a game explicitly balanced around RMT, more power to you. But (honest question not an argument) - why defend a game that says they are against RMT but then admits to balancing around RMT and hands off all high end trade (you and Diablo agree on that) to an RMT site? I genuinely don't understand why anyone would choose to champion that. | |
" Well I could talk about RMT with you, or any other person for that matter and still wouldn't get banned or we will prove nothing as the RMT will never happen. Unless he pulls a bank record showing x$ sent to discord as gift with a comment saying mirror buy, then yea all of this is just drama. And no , you are deflecting, I am just adding arguments to the statement that even if they would RMT there are other people doing it, not streamers necessarily, d2jsp is full of RMTers as well, and if you check that site a lot of RMTers are streamers...Maybe a poor example but MrLlama a good d2 player is using that site which is well know for RMT ( not the point of course but it was just the example I had at hand as I do not sit on that site). If Chris said that he balances the game around RMT then you should blame the poor trading system he implemented. Let's put it this way, he is saying that the trading system is implemented like this because it needs to add value to the item you are pursuing. So concluding his statement + the RMT fiasco, he is either a masochists' for seeing people forced to RMT and still clinking to the idea that the trading system should add that imaginary value that the item worth's more (emotional) because you w/ 50 people instead of 1 or he balances the game in the wrong direction (either way he is wrong in different directions)...Because instead of offering a better trading experience that he can control and eliminate a lot of RMT ers he just balances the drop rates or whatever game balance to avoid fixing RMT, just make their life harder (which clearly he doesn't achieve) To answer you bluntly, I do care and do not care about RMT. 1. RMT does not affect me in a single player game. 2. RMT does not affect me when selling services to get some currency to start my build that will carry me to the end. 3. I do care about RMT because in the high end it affects everyone at some level as it dilutes the market. But since leagues are mostly over after 1month for most of the players, the only people who do care about this are the ones who play hardcore. I do not defend PoE on any of their statements...Chris has a long story of "We are sorry" posts. I explained above my train of thought...GGG should not invest any time and effort to keep the drama alive, should not invest time and effort to take down TFT , but they should invest time and effort to implement the same bulk selling tool like TFT has or implement a better trading experience like auction house or I don't know, just implement something better than the damn trading site and a better way of pricing your items beside going on the trade site every 5 minutes of mapping. GGG should make the game better as an overall experience, not balance around TFT, with this I agree...With the fact that TFT is the monster that lives in the closet and I am afraid to use it because they might RMT has literally no logical value. Just as a side P.S why did Chris make temples be tradable but Betrayal doesn't have a micro thing to put x person into a jail and sell it to the trade channel... Why don't we have an adgent trading site called "services" .. Were people can go and place services they want to sell, like killing maven -- > you get stone I want 100c... Why do we still miss this things since even if I do not use TFTF, trade channel 820 still has service providers. And people will always find a way to take the high road to the goal instead of the slow one. Never invite Vorana, Last To Fall at a beer party. Last edited by Vendetta on May 19, 2023, 4:03:59 AM
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Hmm I agree with most of that.
The game should generally be improved regardless of RMT or not (which is longterm going to be there in any game with player trade). However, refusing to improve the game functions like trade and crafting while balancing around TFT and RMT, that is where I differ. | |
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Me , you or any player should not contest why GGG does what it does...For what it should matter players should play the game as it is intended by GGG and unless it breaks the TOS find alternatives to what the game offers.
D2 had D2JSP, a lot of bots that farmed currency. D3 has none of that because the items are bound to you and only drops for you, which in terms gives more drama than RMT because it breaks the incentive of doing stuff that have no value outside of your world. It does have services attached to it like power boosting and so on. POE has all of them combined. Other games have them as well. What GGG should do is implement a system like HS did ( i do not agree with it but in the long run it might bare fruits), as in make an elite power user round table comprised of streamers that play the game well, and have them mesh ideas on how the game could be better. Then take those ideas mesh them with their own and get a good idea implemented in the game. It's easier in POE as it does not involve balance around luck RNG (unless it's crafting). Instead of shoving their heads up their [probably will be removed by support] and thinking they are always doing the right thing, and they are actually listening to the community (while they are not), they should really do what I said above, and create a small community of elite players that could give feedback and discuss feedback based on what they want to chance and so on... I am pretty sure no streamer will say no, and they have been providing feedback since forever and most of them were taken in consideration, why not make it official and maybe we would see some improvements and not just nerf fests and balances around RMT I am sure it won't happen, as the current mentality of POE is, players have no idea what should be done because we know best and we will take feedback only when everyone is screaming. And the old mentality, POE is a hardcore game made for hardcore players we won't change that. Never invite Vorana, Last To Fall at a beer party. Last edited by Vendetta on May 19, 2023, 4:17:55 AM
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GGG already solicits feedback from streamers. The streamers always say everything is perfect and nothing needs to be changed (except making the grind longer so they can get more $$$.) Then GGG adds a mode that makes the grind longer specifically for them and nobody plays it at all.
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" Ok, now I'm going to try and say this without getting a strike against me as IRL I could say it without fear of people talking real offense. Because this is a statement based on the natural human rights and using common sense. You just said that no one should question GGG on what they do unless they are violating there own TOS. Has the entire world gone fascist? So long as people are being respectful they should have the freedom question what any corporation is doing. Now in your statement I am defining it as we are talking about "why they do what they do". GGG has a feedback forum just so that we can contest and ask questions. You can say perhaps the General Discussion forum is not the place perhaps, but to say we should not contest, well, I very much disagree. If someone feels they want to contest, so long as they are doing it with in the confines of the TOS they are free to do so, so please stop with the rhetoric. | |
" Yea yea yea freedom of speech...like that changed anything, ever. Never invite Vorana, Last To Fall at a beer party.
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It does change a lot. That's why people fight it so hard when they own the power and are afraid to lose it.
Last edited by Strickl3r on May 21, 2023, 1:57:13 AM
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" If you really think that, then there is no point being on a forum dedicated to.... what GGG is doing, and why it is doing that. What you probably mean is that no one should criticise GGG. Which, people bash on for calling out white knights, but ... really? Any of you usual suspects want to defend the saying "Me , you or any player should not contest why GGG does what it does." You know who you are, GGG-Defense-Squad. Don't pretend to be neutral when you call out those who criticize but then remain silent for stuff like this. Last edited by trixxar on May 22, 2023, 2:59:49 AM
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As someone who has never used tft but knows what it does offer.
I think its fine that it exists but also terrible that some players think it is a necessity to play the game. GGG could make some changes to the website to aid with bulk selling/buying but that would not solve everything. A lot of what people want out of tft is just removing some of the purposefully built in friction. If GGG were to add in game ways to do this it would essentially be adding easy mode to things they intended to be hard. Some thing's are just meant to be hard to sell or buy that is what gives them value. As far as RMT goes its virtually impossible to abolish in a game like this which is very unfortunate, GGG obviously does what it can as can be seen with all the account locked threads that pop up. Last edited by sevens67 on May 22, 2023, 3:02:57 AM
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