[3.25] CWDT Ward Loop Scion

Anything i can do against Temporal Bubble mobs?
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gufling wrote:
Hello, i was wondering about breakpoints is it 9% 27% and 52% ? and do i need the same duration on skeletons the 59? or 34 with Window of opportunity



To Dust for 9% - 26% CDR

Option - 1
34% To Dust - Window of Opportunity + 3 To Dusts

Example - 10, 10, 14
Example - 11, 12, 11

Use Window of Opportunity in the passive tree, its below Scion area


Option - 2

34% To Dust - Window of Opportunity & 2 To Dusts
Example - 17, 17
Example - 18, 16

Option - 3

59% total using 4 To Dusts
Example - 15, 15, 15, 14
This option saves 4 passive skills and does not use Window of Opportunity

Option - 4

59% total using 3 To Dusts
Example - 20, 20, 19
This option saves 4 passive skills and does not use Window of Opportunity


To Dust for 27% CDR

Option - 1
34% To Dust - Window of Opportunity + 3 To Dusts + Less duration mastery

Example - 10, 10, 14
Example - 11, 12, 11

Option - 2

34% To Dust - Window of Opportunity & 2 To Dusts + Less duration mastery
Example - 17, 17
Example - 18, 16

Note - for 27% CDR you also need to use the less duration mastery


52 CDR Gem link

Using Window Of Opportunity on the Passive Skill Tree

Less Duration 20/20 - Summon Skeletons + Minion Speed 20 quality + CWDT
To Dust Total - 33

If you are using the Weapon with 10% reduced skill effect duration, then
To Dust Total - 23

10% less duration mastery not required.

Summary - 98% reduced duration from tree and To Dust and Less Duration 20/20 Support.
Last edited by Akshay#5418 on Apr 20, 2023, 2:43:43 PM
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Asuramo wrote:
Anything i can do against Temporal Bubble mobs?


swap weapons inside the bubble, many times
once you reach giga dps, they will die upon flame dash into bubble.
I'm inspecting the recently updated 3.21 PoB, comparing to my build. So I can plan upgrade path ahead.

And one thing I noticed is there are Custom Modifiers in the PoB in Configuration tab:
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250% increased cast speed
15% increased maximum life

Where do those come from?

Also, is there a write-up somewhere about CDR breakpoints? I need to know more, and right now I don't even get why the loop works with belt CDR reduction benchcraft, and stops without it.
Last edited by MaxiShmaxi#4837 on Apr 21, 2023, 1:40:55 AM
ANybody willing to have a look at my character and gear? First time playing the wardloop build and managed to get the loop going. Noticed the loop speed was way too slow so checked my gems and noticed I had the wrong quality on Minion Speed and Summon Skeletons so changed those to 17/20 and 11/15 and now my loop is dead completly..

https://pobb.in/5qLteYeABEzK

This is my POB link. Looking forward to get the build going! Thanks in advance
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MaxiShmaxi wrote:
I'm inspecting the recently updated 3.21 PoB, comparing to my build. So I can plan upgrade path ahead.

And one thing I noticed is there are Custom Modifiers in the PoB in Configuration tab:
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250% increased cast speed
15% increased maximum life

Where do those come from?

Also, is there a write-up somewhere about CDR breakpoints? I need to know more, and right now I don't even get why the loop works with belt CDR reduction benchcraft, and stops without it.


Cast speed is just to set cast rate in PoB to trigger rate, so that it shows real dps. You can put any high number there, and it will cap at your trigger rate.
In reality you cast spells based on your trigger rate, and cast speed is irrelevant.

Second would be for the new life mastery, which did not work in PoB, and should be removed now that it is fixed.

As for CDR breakpoints, I suggest this reddit thread for basic mechanic of breakpoints, and specific numbers for all triggers: https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/fh8bnh/spellslinger_cooldown_thresholds_and_all_other/

The rest is just lining up your skeleton duration to match your cooldown (duration is rounded in the same way as cooldowns, so that makes it easy).
Note that cwdt ignores any damage taken while on cooldown, which means skeleton duration lower than cooldown bricks loop, while duration longer than cooldown justs slows it.
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Akshay wrote:
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gufling wrote:
Hello, i was wondering about breakpoints is it 9% 27% and 52% ? and do i need the same duration on skeletons the 59? or 34 with Window of opportunity



To Dust for 9% - 26% CDR

Option - 1
34% To Dust - Window of Opportunity + 3 To Dusts

Example - 10, 10, 14
Example - 11, 12, 11

Use Window of Opportunity in the passive tree, its below Scion area


Option - 2

34% To Dust - Window of Opportunity & 2 To Dusts
Example - 17, 17
Example - 18, 16

Option - 3

59% total using 4 To Dusts
Example - 15, 15, 15, 14
This option saves 4 passive skills and does not use Window of Opportunity

Option - 4

59% total using 3 To Dusts
Example - 20, 20, 19
This option saves 4 passive skills and does not use Window of Opportunity


To Dust for 27% CDR

Option - 1
34% To Dust - Window of Opportunity + 3 To Dusts + Less duration mastery

Example - 10, 10, 14
Example - 11, 12, 11

Option - 2

34% To Dust - Window of Opportunity & 2 To Dusts + Less duration mastery
Example - 17, 17
Example - 18, 16

Note - for 27% CDR you also need to use the less duration mastery


52 CDR Gem link

Using Window Of Opportunity on the Passive Skill Tree

Less Duration 20/20 - Summon Skeletons + Minion Speed 20 quality + CWDT
To Dust Total - 33

If you are using the Weapon with 10% reduced skill effect duration, then
To Dust Total - 23

10% less duration mastery not required.

Summary - 98% reduced duration from tree and To Dust and Less Duration 20/20 Support.



oki right now i have 52% cdr 24% to dust and 10 reduced skill with staff.

do i still need to use less dration 20/20 and the 10% less duration mastery ?
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gufling wrote:
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oki right now i have 52% cdr 24% to dust and 10 reduced skill with staff.

do i still need to use less dration 20/20 and the 10% less duration mastery ?


You need total 98% reduced skeleton duration (so, in your case, 23% from Dusts) and 19/20 less duration, no duration mastery.
Which, I believe, was exactly written in the post you quoted:)
Last edited by Cahir_aep_Ceallach#1713 on Apr 21, 2023, 3:41:48 AM
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Cahir_aep_Ceallach wrote:
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gufling wrote:
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oki right now i have 52% cdr 24% to dust and 10 reduced skill with staff.

do i still need to use less dration 20/20 and the 10% less duration mastery ?


You need total 98% reduced skeleton duration (so, in your case, 23% from Dusts) and 19/20 less duration, no duration mastery.
Which, I believe, was exactly written in the post you quoted:)


yes your right. i was just making sure i understood right. and there os no way to do it with out less duration gem ? sorry for keep asking. and thanks for taking the time to reply
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gufling wrote:
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Cahir_aep_Ceallach wrote:
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gufling wrote:
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oki right now i have 52% cdr 24% to dust and 10 reduced skill with staff.

do i still need to use less dration 20/20 and the 10% less duration mastery ?


You need total 98% reduced skeleton duration (so, in your case, 23% from Dusts) and 19/20 less duration, no duration mastery.
Which, I believe, was exactly written in the post you quoted:)


yes your right. i was just making sure i understood right. and there os no way to do it with out less duration gem ? sorry for keep asking. and thanks for taking the time to reply


There is no way to do it without less duration, unfortunatelly. 99% reduced duration with less duration mastery caps at 198 ms skeleton duration, and you need to get to 165 ms on 52% breakpoint.
I would also love to get that socket back:) Feature of wardloop is being permanently 1 socket short of what you need...

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