What are people's thoughts on switching away from Berek's Respite?
Technically there are double corruptions for it, but there's also e.g. polaric devastation, or just a 12% ignite speed crafted ring.
I switched off it after I got my explodey chest last league. It kinda just becomes obsolete after that. So yeah, Polaric Devastation or a Synth ring crafted with Essences of Delirium is your best bet for DPS.
Hi, i just had a few lucky drop an decided to reroll into a DD ingite build, and i'm a newborn with this skill so i have quite a few question to ask ^^
-do you think a crest of desire with lab enchant is any good ? is it better for bossing & worse for clearing ( because no gmp ) ?
also what about cremator in cluster jewels, to ensure we proc our unhearth corpse while mapping, is it a good idea ?
For maping, is remplacing the defiance banner for divergent Herald of ash overkill ?
if you could enlighten me about how ingite prolif & overkill dmg from HoA interact that would be nice of you :3
The double damage mod does nothing for us because the big Ignites come from the DD explosions, not the damage of Unearth. The gem levels and quality are both very nice, but then you also only fire one corpse per shot, meaning VDD can take a lot longer to get a good pool of fodder for. To be honest I'm not sure if the double damage would make the corpse explosion actually do double damage if you chose to put DD in there instead of Unearth, but even if it did it's not going to come close to what you get from the more damage modifiers + utility of 5 support gems.
Cremator would be a negligible difference in mapping. Honestly when it comes to clearing packs, you probably only need to pop one or at most two DDs and Ignite Proliferation will take care of the rest. If you're using Obliteration that makes it even less of an issue. The +%Fire is nice, but the unique effect is probably not worth mentioning.
I'd say it's overkill. Plus you're running super low on unreserved mana with that, unless you also fit in an Enlighten + use the mastery for better reservation. Divergent Herald of Ash ends up being ~3% more damage in my case, and again, in my experience Ignite Proliferation alone does the job just fine. If you find clear lacking it's probably better to go for either: Obliteration wand, Berek's Respite ring, or Fan the Flames notable.
Maybe someone else can answer that last one. POE's mechanics get really weird when you start layering them. From the wiki "All fire DoT effects are burning damage, but not all of them are ignite", which makes me think that the overkill burn isn't going to scale with our ignites / be proliferated? Again, mechanics are weird and I don't fully understand this one to be honest. I think the take home here is that it probably isn't worth it when compared to just swapping in an Obliteration and calling it a day.
First of all thx for repplying, i have alot of questions because i have bad knowledge in poe so each time i think i got a concept, gotta ask to someone
more knowledgeable ^^
My idea was :
-since +5 gloves are so expensive, crest of desire (with +5 helm enchant) could have been good,
because it is basically a +4 gloves/lvl 4empower/lvl 10 enhance
(but in would require a +1 somewhere to complete the next level, like +4 gloves)
tldr : crest of desire w/ lab enchant service & DoT wand with +1 > +4 gloves w/21 phantasmal unearth > +5 gloves w/20 phantasmal unearth
so in term of currency, i think it is way cheaper, plus it free up a slot for gloves and its new implicits.
now idk if the extra quality ( i have a 45% roll, so let's say 21% ) is worth vs the awk helmet you show in the gear section.
-I though that we only needed 1 corpse explosion to inflict & spread ignite, so projectiles didn't relly mattered because we can only detonate one corpse at the time and inflict 1 ignite.
That is why i thought about Cremator, to ensure we only get our Unearth body availiable to DD.
but i have no idea how proliferation works, first, does the spread stacks ?
if we have 20 from ingite prolif, 15 from fan the flames and 20 from the new Searing Exarch influence, does that mean now we have a 55 spread ?
Does the duration & damage from the spreaded ignite is similar to the original ignite ?
let's say if all the ennemies on a map were static and within 54-55 range of each other, and all of them could die from the original explode ignite, does that mean i can wipe all of the map in one ignite ?
edit : actually i'm stupid i just realised that Cremator is working for hits not for the ignite itself
Last edited by Frenchavelli#6682 on Feb 25, 2022, 7:55:13 AM
Hey! Recently started this build and i'm really enjoying it so far. Currently just going off the PoB which seems to work just fine but my bossing damage is lacking by a LARGE amount, which I can only assume is due to no Phantasmal Unearth (About 30ex for 21/20) and Malevolence with Enlighten level 4 (Another 20ex). Any suggestions on what to do, anything I can fix right now or is it just farm currency and pray?
Hey! Recently started this build and i'm really enjoying it so far. Currently just going off the PoB which seems to work just fine but my bossing damage is lacking by a LARGE amount, which I can only assume is due to no Phantasmal Unearth (About 30ex for 21/20) and Malevolence with Enlighten level 4 (Another 20ex). Any suggestions on what to do, anything I can fix right now or is it just farm currency and pray?
Appreciate responses! :)
PoB: https://pastebin.com/R9uJv5gC
You definitely don't need Phantasmal 21/20. Just get a 20/20 and save yourself like 20ex. That extra level is 10% more damage yes, but going from base -> Phantasmal is such a gigantic leap that you can save that 10% for luxury endgame items if you even need it. Once you do that, Ashes of the Stars is a very cheap, but still BiS, upgrade over your current amulet.
You can easily run Malevolence, Determination, Tempest Shield, and Defiance Banner all without Enlighten. Technically you don't even really need the mastery for more reservation to do so, but you'll have a very very low amount unreserved if so. Ashes of the Stars fills in for what Enlighten used to do on top of being a substantial damage increase too.
Also your gloves will be applying Enfeeble over your Flammability. So you can either cut your losses and get new +3 gloves, or try to fit in +1 curses somewhere. That alone nets you something like 20% more damage.
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UnlovedAime wrote:
First of all thx for repplying, i have alot of questions because i have bad knowledge in poe so each time i think i got a concept, gotta ask to someone
more knowledgeable ^^
My idea was :
-since +5 gloves are so expensive, crest of desire (with +5 helm enchant) could have been good,
because it is basically a +4 gloves/lvl 4empower/lvl 10 enhance
(but in would require a +1 somewhere to complete the next level, like +4 gloves)
tldr : crest of desire w/ lab enchant service & DoT wand with +1 > +4 gloves w/21 phantasmal unearth > +5 gloves w/20 phantasmal unearth
so in term of currency, i think it is way cheaper, plus it free up a slot for gloves and its new implicits.
now idk if the extra quality ( i have a 45% roll, so let's say 21% ) is worth vs the awk helmet you show in the gear section.
-I though that we only needed 1 corpse explosion to inflict & spread ignite, so projectiles didn't relly mattered because we can only detonate one corpse at the time and inflict 1 ignite.
That is why i thought about Cremator, to ensure we only get our Unearth body availiable to DD.
but i have no idea how proliferation works, first, does the spread stacks ?
if we have 20 from ingite prolif, 15 from fan the flames and 20 from the new Searing Exarch influence, does that mean now we have a 55 spread ?
Does the duration & damage from the spreaded ignite is similar to the original ignite ?
let's say if all the ennemies on a map were static and within 54-55 range of each other, and all of them could die from the original explode ignite, does that mean i can wipe all of the map in one ignite ?
edit : actually i'm stupid i just realised that Cremator is working for hits not for the ignite itself
It is cheaper, you're not wrong. But with +3 gloves you can still get to 30 if you really wanted (21 Unearth, +1 Ashes, +4 Empower, +1 weapon, +3 gloves) and then 32 with +5s, since 30 is where the cutoff for +1 corpse level becomes every other gem level vs every gem level. 29 with a level 20 Unearth is also still plenty. See above re amount of investment vs returns. It's your call, and could work, but there are pros / cons to both. Also by getting the glove implicits, you lose the helm implicits so it's kind of a wash.
Re: Fan the Flames, y'know I just assumed based on OP's recommendation, but from quick Google and some rough testing ingame, it seems like it just gets overwritten by Ignite Proliferation Support and is useless. That being said, Berek's Respite isn't the same wording as those two, so it does provide us a benefit. Obliteration remains a good choice for clear as well obviously.
Last edited by Umberger#6380 on Feb 25, 2022, 9:32:46 PM
Thank you so much! I have read through most of the comments here and were confused on what to do. I saw the ashes recommendation but I probably did not just read through it enough to buy one myself. I managed to find a 19% 30qual one for pretty cheap and just farming up for the unearth.
I still managed to facetank the absolute crap out of sirus but not maven or uber elder, and my only thought really is that I did not do enough damage. Hopefully this helps!
Edit: Yeah I realised a bit after when I bought the HotHT that they have another curse so I basically have a useless flammability. Will look into changing them asap when I have my phantasmal unearth.
Last edited by FreedomDoge#5499 on Feb 25, 2022, 9:49:08 PM
Re: Fan the Flames, y'know I just assumed based on OP's recommendation, but from quick Google and some rough testing ingame, it seems like it just gets overwritten by Ignite Proliferation Support and is useless. That being said, Berek's Respite isn't the same wording as those two, so it does provide us a benefit. Obliteration remains a good choice for clear as well obviously.
Fan the Flames is *only* for when you have explosions so that the explosions can proliferate. Otherwise it's pointless. :P
Hey! Recently started this build and i'm really enjoying it so far. Currently just going off the PoB which seems to work just fine but my bossing damage is lacking by a LARGE amount, which I can only assume is due to no Phantasmal Unearth (About 30ex for 21/20) and Malevolence with Enlighten level 4 (Another 20ex). Any suggestions on what to do, anything I can fix right now or is it just farm currency and pray?
Appreciate responses! :)
PoB: https://pastebin.com/R9uJv5gC
You definitely don't need Phantasmal 21/20. Just get a 20/20 and save yourself like 20ex. That extra level is 10% more damage yes, but going from base -> Phantasmal is such a gigantic leap that you can save that 10% for luxury endgame items if you even need it. Once you do that, Ashes of the Stars is a very cheap, but still BiS, upgrade over your current amulet.
You can easily run Malevolence, Determination, Tempest Shield, and Defiance Banner all without Enlighten. Technically you don't even really need the mastery for more reservation to do so, but you'll have a very very low amount unreserved if so. Ashes of the Stars fills in for what Enlighten used to do on top of being a substantial damage increase too.
Also your gloves will be applying Enfeeble over your Flammability. So you can either cut your losses and get new +3 gloves, or try to fit in +1 curses somewhere. That alone nets you something like 20% more damage.
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UnlovedAime wrote:
First of all thx for repplying, i have alot of questions because i have bad knowledge in poe so each time i think i got a concept, gotta ask to someone
more knowledgeable ^^
My idea was :
-since +5 gloves are so expensive, crest of desire (with +5 helm enchant) could have been good,
because it is basically a +4 gloves/lvl 4empower/lvl 10 enhance
(but in would require a +1 somewhere to complete the next level, like +4 gloves)
tldr : crest of desire w/ lab enchant service & DoT wand with +1 > +4 gloves w/21 phantasmal unearth > +5 gloves w/20 phantasmal unearth
so in term of currency, i think it is way cheaper, plus it free up a slot for gloves and its new implicits.
now idk if the extra quality ( i have a 45% roll, so let's say 21% ) is worth vs the awk helmet you show in the gear section.
-I though that we only needed 1 corpse explosion to inflict & spread ignite, so projectiles didn't relly mattered because we can only detonate one corpse at the time and inflict 1 ignite.
That is why i thought about Cremator, to ensure we only get our Unearth body availiable to DD.
but i have no idea how proliferation works, first, does the spread stacks ?
if we have 20 from ingite prolif, 15 from fan the flames and 20 from the new Searing Exarch influence, does that mean now we have a 55 spread ?
Does the duration & damage from the spreaded ignite is similar to the original ignite ?
let's say if all the ennemies on a map were static and within 54-55 range of each other, and all of them could die from the original explode ignite, does that mean i can wipe all of the map in one ignite ?
edit : actually i'm stupid i just realised that Cremator is working for hits not for the ignite itself
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Umberger wrote:
It is cheaper, you're not wrong. But with +3 gloves you can still get to 30 if you really wanted (21 Unearth, +1 Ashes, +4 Empower, +1 weapon, +3 gloves) and then 32 with +5s, since 30 is where the cutoff for +1 corpse level becomes every other gem level vs every gem level. 29 with a level 20 Unearth is also still plenty. See above re amount of investment vs returns. It's your call, and could work, but there are pros / cons to both. Also by getting the glove implicits, you lose the helm implicits so it's kind of a wash.
Re: Fan the Flames, y'know I just assumed based on OP's recommendation, but from quick Google and some rough testing ingame, it seems like it just gets overwritten by Ignite Proliferation Support and is useless. That being said, Berek's Respite isn't the same wording as those two, so it does provide us a benefit. Obliteration remains a good choice for clear as well obviously.
i quess i'm gonna go for +1 wand and +1 gem then, do you have a ressource explaining to to craft it ? i have same synth wand mod but on a ilvl62 base.
its gonna be something like 26% more damage overhaul, for 20ex if a sell my current phantasm unhearth, + the price of that wand that is unkown
aaaaaaaaah all that money for so little dmg :'(
after the next big upgrade would be +5 gloves and fordibben flesh & flame for Corpse Pact, that would be another 60ex + 50-60ex T_T
Last edited by Frenchavelli#6682 on Feb 26, 2022, 6:24:01 AM
