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I played magic for years, both digitally and paper. Nowadays you don't learn it. You just spend money to buy cards and netdeck the most breaking meta stuff, and win most of the time. Balance and MTG have never been on the same page, I was there when Black Summer was a thing man.
There aren't people willing to learn magic, just people willing to waste real money on paper cards.
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Posted byArionAthreideson Sep 15, 2020, 8:16:54 AM
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Still doesn't change the fact that new players who dont use or learn to use POB Fork, Exile Trade, POE: overlay, POE Ninja, forbiddenharvest. will never amount to majority of end game mapping, farming, min/maxing.
Again, that's not a bad thing. There's people who want that type of game and people who don't. There's people who don't want to put the work into learning how to effectively play MtG and yet MtG survives just fine without the inclusion of those players.
It's a diverse marketplace and PoE has carved out its niche in that market. If a player comes to PoE with the assumption that they're going to be playing Torchlight or Diablo3 because this is an ARPG, I'm sorry but they came to this game under the wrong assumption. GGG doesn't owe these players anything other than the game they offer. Players are free to discover this game is a challenge they want to take on and invest in, or that it isn't their thing and are free to discover something more in line with what they were looking for - and maybe down the road they'll reconsider if they find themselves unsatisfied or bored with the other mainstream ARPG titles.
You speak of adapting to challenges and learning the game a lot but your character list if full of meta flavour of the league characters...
Therefore I doubt you have any better expertise than the players you are trying to raise yourself above.
When fallacious arguments aren't convincing comes the biased moderation. Last edited by Bosscannon on Sep 15, 2020, 8:20:10 AM
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Posted byBosscannonon Sep 15, 2020, 8:17:27 AM
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That's why I like the YouTuber Esoro. His video guide are well laid out and explains things from a simpler but somewhat in dept approach. Many guides here uses a lot of terminology that others dont know, regardless of how well their build is.
I agree. He has a lot of depth to his guides and offers a lot of alternatives if you can't source the recommended items.
EngineeringEternity is really good in this regard - he also has a lot of 'learning videos' where he breaks down a lot of core mechanics of the game into digestible content.
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Posted bymuzeinon Sep 15, 2020, 8:18:54 AM
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Great, please ban bots at the start of the league
they are destroying the economy at the first 8 hours and our effort for speed leveling is a waste
Hm, can you write in more detail? I know that bots makes chaos orbs cheap :( but how can they ruin economy so quick?
Their is a vendor recipe that is extremely easy to farm for but tedious to manually micro manage for chaos.
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Posted byRekt_thaton Sep 15, 2020, 8:18:57 AM
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"enjoy" is a very subjective term. But let's say it describes achieving one's goals. If you're a new player, your goals/expectations should not be the same as a player who has thousands of hours /played.
PoE is like Magic the Gathering in so many ways. You need to have a fundamental understanding of 'theory' or 'best practices' if you want to succeed at a higher level. In MtG, you're not going to be able to build a meta-defining deck without understanding all the fundamentals of deck building... and the game itself doesn't teach you how to do this; your only feedback is you either won or you lost - In PoE, you survive or you die.
All of those 'useless uniques' can be built around to great effect. It also helps to understand what is meant to be used as a leveling unique or transitioned away from (and what replaces it). Just as with deck building in MtG, some cards have their use in specific decks.... many cards are just printed for draft and you should be able to identify those differences.
The OP's comment about not understanding 'how a casual can finish the game' is also an eyebrow-raising remark. What does that even mean? Does "finish the game" mean get to 100? Kill each end-game boss? To what 'end' do you seek? There's no requirement (by the game or anyone else) to do those things.
If you don't want to put in any time or effort to be better at the game; that's a shortcoming on your part, not the game. You're welcome to not like games which provide that level of complexity but then you should understand that PoE is a game you're going to fundamentally push back on - I'm glad you stuck with it for 3 months, but if you're not inspired to do better this league then I don't know what to tell you other than it's a slow process and you're not going to reach 'CuteDog_ status' level of builds in your first few thousand hours.
There's people who play games like League of Legends for 10 years and are still silver/gold ranked. They might understand that if they worked at improving themselves they could climb to a higher rank but that's not something they enjoy - They'd rather just play for fun. If you feel like you've peaked in PoE, can you not continue to also play for fun?
Still doesn't change the fact that new players who dont use or learn to use POB Fork, Exile Trade, POE: overlay, POE Ninja, forbiddenharvest. will never amount to majority of end game mapping, farming, min/maxing.
Yikes, you don't need any of that. All a player needs to be decent/good at the game is a few things:
- know how to google so you can get to the wiki.
- know how to use the trade site
- use a trade macro to not waste time pricing things. I use poetrademacro.
- know how to use Path of Building
That's basically it. I've never heard of any of those things you mentioned except poe.ninja and I min-max my own builds and play endgame.
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Posted bySaiyanZon Sep 15, 2020, 8:19:03 AM
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Great, please ban bots at the start of the league
they are destroying the economy at the first 8 hours and our effort for speed leveling is a waste
Hm, can you write in more detail? I know that bots makes chaos orbs cheap :( but how can they ruin economy so quick?
For once, you may had noticed how every 2 minutes or so a 70-80 lvl necromancer is messaging you asking to buy some random 1-2 c item and when you group them they always leave without completing transaction?
I probably got around 50 fake trading calls per gaming session, and they always different characters, cuz i banned them till my list was full.
These are the bots plague.
One aspect of it, anyway. There are many, and their name is Legion. ^^
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Posted byZenshiion Sep 15, 2020, 8:25:06 AM
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Nerf Melee Please... It has been way to strong for way to long now...
Haha...! What a joke!
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Posted byPacklFalkon Sep 15, 2020, 8:33:14 AM
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Surprisingly good changes but not enough and screen clutter kills whole fun.
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Posted byRakiiion Sep 15, 2020, 8:33:50 AM
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You speak of adapting to challenges and learning the game a lot but your character list if full of meta flavour of the league characters...
Therefore I doubt you have any better expertise than the players you are trying to raise yourself above.
I try to prune my characters down each league (these days I don't usually keep anything lower than 95) but I'll give you my general run-down:
1)League starter
2)Some sort of strong-meta build that can farm currency
3)Play w/e I want based off new or interesting interactions that I'm interested in.
For example, I went on a big Flicker Strike kick and built around that skill on 4-5 ascendancies in a single league just to try out the various strengths/weaknesses to see which one I enjoyed the most.
I've also published a guide on a Mjolner build some leagues back. I didn't bother to update because the following league Mathil put out his own.
As for holding myself higher than other people; I'm advocating that people set realistic expectations for themselves as a new player. I've mentored new players and even went as far as to publish a video/written guide on a build and have made a custom loot filter accessible to the community.
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Posted bymuzeinon Sep 15, 2020, 8:37:01 AM
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I play Minion / Necromancer because I have not the time to visit and play other classes. I did in the past where the game was simpler (I mean where Poison Arrow was a thing). And I know it is a complex game therefore I focus on just a single aspect. And when this aspect gets destroyed then everybody has the right to complain. Even if it does not change anything.
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