Deep and awesome thoughts on trade market

Understanding issues, finding resolutions and wanting them fixed is part of being a mature adult. An effective one at least. You're not going to get anything you want in life handed to you. Knowing what to ask for and asking for it is sometimes the best thing to do. Or you could just work twice as hard at a job get paid half as much because you say to yourself. Why complain..They're not forcing me to work here.

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L1nqz wrote:

Understanding issues, finding resolutions and wanting them fixed is part of being a mature adult. An effective one at least. You're not going to get anything you want in life handed to you. Knowing what to ask for and asking for it is sometimes the best thing to do. Or you could just work twice as hard at a job get paid half as much because you say to yourself. Why complain..They're not forcing me to work here.

Don't mix things up..
You have the right to work, be treated well during your working hours and to get your well deserved salary. It's full of laws about that (I'm a lawyer myself).

You have no rights to play a videogame in the way you want, especially if that game is free.

If you don't like how a restaurant cook their dishes, do you go there telling them to be a better restaurant or do you simply move on and go eat somewhere else?

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Asra101010 wrote:

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L1nqz wrote:

Understanding issues, finding resolutions and wanting them fixed is part of being a mature adult. An effective one at least. You're not going to get anything you want in life handed to you. Knowing what to ask for and asking for it is sometimes the best thing to do. Or you could just work twice as hard at a job get paid half as much because you say to yourself. Why complain..They're not forcing me to work here.

Don't mix things up..
You have the right to work, be treated well during your working hours and to get your well deserved salary. It's full of laws about that (I'm a lawyer myself).

You have no rights to play a videogame in the way you want, especially if that game is free.

If you don't like how a restaurant cook their dishes, do you go there telling them to be a better restaurant or do you simply move on and go eat somewhere else?

This conversation starting to get interesting :)

Can I meddle?

"The game is free"... are you sure? Skin and support packs, special tabs to sale items with very bad design (no auto-sell; no decent item filter) - and all of this at the cost of AAA fresh release.

"You have no rights to play a videogame in the way you want"... I agree if the game is online, but disagree if the game is offline. Well, we got an online game. Without clan, party's, etc... basically, played like a single player game.

"Go play somewhere else"... well, I believe we complain because we like and care this game. If customers don't complain and just play with their mouth shut, we are opening the path to bad companies/bad practices rise. Why everybody hates EA and love CD PROJECT?

What's your thoughts?

I agree in all of the above statements. If we're talking about laws then you would clearly win the argument being a lawyer but since we are using this in comparison to the video game, clearly laws were not a factor in the making of my point. If you invest in something, Then it is your right to ask questions and expect results. In a sense you could say the all the money I have spent on this was not demanded yes, but in the same way as buying stocks, you expect information and follow through and sometimes you buy stocks in something you believe in instead of making the "good" investment. Belief and aspirations are what makes you different from the happy monkey..... and thumbs..

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Trebien75 wrote:

Can I meddle?

"The game is free"... are you sure? Skin and support packs, special tabs to sale items with very bad design (no auto-sell; no decent item filter) - and all of this at the cost of AAA fresh release.

Yes, I am. You can play the whole campaign without buying anything. I've played this game blinded for the first 2 months when it came out March last year.
I didn't buy anything, I didn't even know about this whole stash tab thing. Once I learned about buying stash tabs, 2 months later, I decided to buy them and support the game because it entertained me for 2 months. I knew the game had problems, but I thought it deserved it anyway. So yes, the game is free, if you want to buy stash tabs you already got to enjoy it quite a while. Yes, if you want to get the most out of the game you sure need some tabs.

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Trebien75 wrote:

"You have no rights to play a videogame in the way you want"... I agree if the game is online, but disagree if the game is offline. Well, we got an online game. Without clan, party's, etc... basically, played like a single player game.

Yes, You have no rights to interfere with how a game is developed or
Anything like that. But you have the most powerful right like all the costumers of everything out there : you can stop playing a game if it doesn't entertain you, just like you can stop going to a barber shop if you don't like his haircuts or you can stop going watching a movie from a particular director if you don't like his precedents works unless you think you can email Martin Scorsese telling him that you didn't like The Departed's ending and suggesting him how he should do his job next time.
I don't know about you guys, but if something it's not giving me what I'm expecting from it, I just move on. It's not worth my energy shitting on a Game Company. The day I'll stop playing Poe which can be next month on in 5 yrs, who knows, I won't write a drama post about how GGG sold his soul to China, or how GGG don't give a shit about consoles and stuff like that. I will just stop. People should try to take this game less seriously.

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Trebien75 wrote:

"Go play somewhere else"... well, I believe we complain because we like and care this game. If customers don't complain and just play with their mouth shut, we are opening the path to bad companies/bad practices rise. Why everybody hates EA and love CD PROJECT?

What's your thoughts?

I started playing online games in 1998 with Ultima Online, the "moral" ancestor of all mmporg. That game was just wonderful. You know when it started to fall down?
When devs started to listen to people that were crying because they were being killed by Pk (player killers, the game was centered around PvP, just the opposite of Poe basically). So they created a parallele world (Trammel) where killing players wasn't possibile, leaving only the first World (Felucca) for PvP. The game started its decline just there. And this is just an example. I could give you many others. This game is tough (not gameplay wise, I mean there's no technicality at all in the combat system) but is tough because it is immense and because if you don't "study", if you don't know what you're doing, you'll fail. It's not a beginner friendly game. And while a lot of people complain about that (the most hilarious things I read sometimes are those of people complaining that they can't get 500 ex like streamers do because they can play 2 hours a week...) this is the main point of this game.
Have you ever heard of someone complaining about difficulties of Dark Souls series? I didn't. I've platined all the souls game because they were hard but fair. How would you describe someone complaining about how hard Is dark souls? I mean, it's a series known to be hard, why did you start playing on the first place? Because it was hard. You can't complain about that.
Poe is know for being a grinding game. I mean it's in their fucking company name lol. How would you describe all those kids complaining about the grinding nature of the game..??
What I want to say with this? Like I usually say: I rather let devs of a game developed successfully for 7 yrs how the game should evolve than a bunch of random kids with no art and no knowledge. Blizzard simplified Diablo 3 to follow the requests of a bunch of random kids and the results are just in front of all us.
If GGG would listen to the majority of their customers/ player base we would get Harvest into core, basically an item editor that allowed me in 1,5 month to craft 37 6xT1 Items, I repeat: 37. While in the previous 15 months of gameplay (I'm a standard player, this was my first league) and thousands over thousands of Ex spent on metacrafting items I've got 3. I repeat: 3.
And in a game like this where there's no difficulties whatsoever in the gameplay (it's a fucking 1 button game, cmon, at least we console players have some lag and blue screen to spicy things up lol) , chasing the sacred graal of a perfect item plays a major role. Poe fascinating things where everything comes down are 2: chase a perfect item (that you most likely won't get and that you 100% don't need to do all the contents the game throws at you) and being able to theorycraft a new well synergized build in the millions of opportunities the game gives you without just copy past the work of someone else.
Harvest took out completely the first thing, leaving alone the theoycraft part. At this point you can just play Pob, without even launching the game, like someone does, actually. Reason why if they made it Harvest to core, I would have probably stop playing.
So better they don't listen to their customers, trust me.

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Asra101010 wrote:

Yes, I am. You can play the whole campaign without buying anything. I've played this game blinded for the first 2 months when it came out March last year.
I didn't buy anything, I didn't even know about this whole stash tab thing. Once I learned about buying stash tabs, 2 months later, I decided to buy them and support the game because it entertained me for 2 months. I knew the game had problems, but I thought it deserved it anyway. So yes, the game is free, if you want to buy stash tabs you already got to enjoy it quite a while. Yes, if you want to get the most out of the game you sure need some tabs.

Are you serious? After spend money in the game (1 supporter pack = triple AAA fresh release) you can't say the game is "free". What company gives good stuff for "free", anyway?

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Asra101010 wrote:

Yes, You have no rights to interfere with how a game is developed or
Anything like that. But you have the most powerful right like all the costumers of everything out there : you can stop playing a game if it doesn't entertain you, just like you can stop going to a barber shop if you don't like his haircuts or you can stop going watching a movie from a particular director if you don't like his precedents works unless you think you can email Martin Scorsese telling him that you didn't like The Departed's ending and suggesting him how he should do his job next time.
I don't know about you guys, but if something it's not giving me what I'm expecting from it, I just move on. It's not worth my energy shitting on a Game Company. The day I'll stop playing Poe which can be next month on in 5 yrs, who knows, I won't write a drama post about how GGG sold his soul to China, or how GGG don't give a shit about consoles and stuff like that. I will just stop. People should try to take this game less seriously.

I usually don't care to the most part of the games, since the majority of them I only buy in promotion after good reviews.

But with poe is different. Is the only good game I found that I can play as summoner since d2. So, I care...

PS: GGG don't "sell their soul" to the China. China owns this company, since no one can make business without the communist party approval. So, if the CCP (chinese communist party) order they to praise the region who got concentration camps - like disney's Mulan, they obey or they quit from their job. Being a slave is different from selling their soul... or I'm wrong?

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Asra101010 wrote:

I started playing online games in 1998 with Ultima Online, the "moral" ancestor of all mmporg. That game was just wonderful. You know when it started to fall down?
When devs started to listen to people that were crying because they were being killed by Pk (player killers, the game was centered around PvP, just the opposite of Poe basically). So they created a parallele world (Trammel) where killing players wasn't possibile, leaving only the first World (Felucca) for PvP. The game started its decline just there. And this is just an example. I could give you many others. This game is tough (not gameplay wise, I mean there's no technicality at all in the combat system) but is tough because it is immense and because if you don't "study", if you don't know what you're doing, you'll fail. It's not a beginner friendly game. And while a lot of people complain about that (the most hilarious things I read sometimes are those of people complaining that they can't get 500 ex like streamers do because they can play 2 hours a week...) this is the main point of this game.
Have you ever heard of someone complaining about difficulties of Dark Souls series? I didn't. I've platined all the souls game because they were hard but fair. How would you describe someone complaining about how hard Is dark souls? I mean, it's a series known to be hard, why did you start playing on the first place? Because it was hard. You can't complain about that.
Poe is know for being a grinding game. I mean it's in their fucking company name lol. How would you describe all those kids complaining about the grinding nature of the game..??
What I want to say with this? Like I usually say: I rather let devs of a game developed successfully for 7 yrs how the game should evolve than a bunch of random kids with no art and no knowledge. Blizzard simplified Diablo 3 to follow the requests of a bunch of random kids and the results are just in front of all us.
If GGG would listen to the majority of their customers/ player base we would get Harvest into core, basically an item editor that allowed me in 1,5 month to craft 37 6xT1 Items, I repeat: 37. While in the previous 15 months of gameplay (I'm a standard player, this was my first league) and thousands over thousands of Ex spent on metacrafting items I've got 3. I repeat: 3.
And in a game like this where there's no difficulties whatsoever in the gameplay (it's a fucking 1 button game, cmon, at least we console players have some lag and blue screen to spicy things up lol) , chasing the sacred graal of a perfect item plays a major role. Poe fascinating things where everything comes down are 2: chase a perfect item (that you most likely won't get) and being able to theorycraft a new well synergized build in the millions of opportunities the game gives you without just copy past the work of someone else.
Harvest took out completely the first thing, leaving alone the theoycraft part. At this point you can just play Pob, without even launching the game, like someone does, actually. Reason why if they made it Harvest to core, I would have probably stop playing.
So better they don't listen to their customers, trust me.

I started with priston tale. For unknown reasons, there's some people playing this game yet.

But I totally agree with you in the part of the gameplay aspect being very complicated (best passive tree ever), but I totally disagree in the QoL aspects - like trade market, clan system, etc etc.

I know Poe is a hard game, but needed to be THAT hard to get top items? I'm a casual player, but I played a lot of hours. And only get one top item in the same time that I can make full content on the witcher 3 or 100% on red dead redemption 2...

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Trebien75 wrote:

I know Poe is a hard game, but needed to be THAT hard to get top items?

Definitely yes for two reasons: 1)you don't need AT ALL top items to clear all contents 2) items are the main focus of a game like this, if you make it simple to gets your hands on the 6xT1 item, not much more is left.
Why, even super seasoned players, scream and got excited when they drop a Mirror? Yes, because it's obscenely rare.
Make it less rare and you'll take out of the game part of its enjoyment.

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Asra101010 wrote:

Definitely yes for two reasons: 1)you don't need AT ALL top items to clear all contents 2) items are the main focus of a game like this, if you make it simple to gets your hands on the 6xT1 item, not much more is left.
Why, even super seasoned players, scream and got excited when they drop a Mirror? Yes, because it's obscenely rare.
Make it less rare and you'll take out of the game part of its enjoyment.

Hm... perhaps you're right. Is not a story based game (in ps4 we can't say we have one, lol), I don't see anything to do after getting a perfect build... I was not considering pc players, the main core. They already got a very different scenario from the market.

I don't even considerate top players who probably play 14h/day, I guess there's a lot of them...

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Trebien75 wrote:

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Asra101010 wrote:

Definitely yes for two reasons: 1)you don't need AT ALL top items to clear all contents 2) items are the main focus of a game like this, if you make it simple to gets your hands on the 6xT1 item, not much more is left.
Why, even super seasoned players, scream and got excited when they drop a Mirror? Yes, because it's obscenely rare.
Make it less rare and you'll take out of the game part of its enjoyment.

Hm... perhaps you're right. Is not a story based game (in ps4 we can't say we have one, lol), I don't see anything to do after getting a perfect build... I was not considering pc players, the main core. They already got a very different scenario from the market.

I don't even considerate top players who probably play 14h/day, I guess there's a lot of them...

There are no top players in a game like this.
The only thing where you can actually show some (kind of) skill is in making a build on your own and maybe, just maybe a little bit in the good old crafting system, where you need to know what you are doing.

Probably the racer in SSF HC that can reach maps in 4h have some skills.. But I'm not interested a tiny bit on that scenario.

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L1nqz wrote:

@anyone who thinks the market and console is completely okay the way it is. Your either ignorant or severely deprived of good rpg markets making you a casual. Ie. Opinion doesn't matter, you'll quit in the long run.

I have played this game since Beta on my old PC up to the end of breach league then hopped on console around a year ago. That being said, I also played D2, WoW and many many other games with better functioning markets. The console versions almost seems to be deliberately bad coding with the way things load causing server ping issues among all sorts of other issue with the pure background functionality alone. Bet never fear, the rocket scientist is here to tell you 2, AND I MEAN TWO, things that will 100% fix the front end trading experience for consoles.

1. When I put a filter in. Instead of graying out anything I'm not selecting how about just getting rid of them. Hmmmmm not to difficult, less than 100 lines of code.

2. This one is even optional. Just to show us that actually care to grow your player base. Allow sorting. If by nothing else then sort by price alone would enhance even the longevity for even the scummiest fixers. This would take us from "Phony Capitalism" to "Capitalism" which means people compete for lowest prices at higher quantities with better quality, consistently surging the market. Wanna know something crazy, this would take less coding than the first.

So before you go saying there is nothing to complain about and the people complaining about a terribly implemented system by all standards are the problem you should really think about yourself and the illogical ignorance your presenting. I do just fine every league I play, I do a lot of less then morally high trading for profit. And that's fine I would still be richer and better off if GGG acknowledges and addresses the horrendous code they have going on the console trade boards. Kids, you should complain about issues. Don't sit quiet while Timmy takes your lunch money.

Lol I think we all know the market sux.... The fact it usually takes me a month or so to find something decently priced is annoying lol.

That's why I if I put anything on the market Im done with, i ask for something fair. I sold my non influenced 6L astral plate with 120 life, double 35% resist for 1ex mid Season. A 6L 600dps rare fleshripper for 2ex.