[3.16 - RETIRING BUILD] VD Brands: S-Tier Bosser, A-Tier Map! -- MURDERED BY GGG_INTERN SOMEWHERE--

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IceColdPorkSoda wrote:

Guys, if you can give eldritch battery a try. With energy leech support my energy shield never drops and it’s a huge 39% more damage multiplier because you’re always leeching. I’ll test build without energy leech support and take the light eater cluster instead and report back.

That's a great idea, I am going to try it right away :)

Do you use MoM with it? Because when using MoM I am permanently out of energy shield, but without it practically never goes down which just solves all the mana problems, but I lose quite a bit of survavibility (1800 ES)

I use MoM but haven’t had the problem you’re describing. Maybe lifetap is another answer? Should be able to outleech the skill cost. With enough leech it’s might feel similar to the old overleech.

That's odd, I tried speccing into MoM, still got about 40% evade chance, 30% spell dodge, 75 all res, max block with glancing blow, 3 endurance charges and somehow when I get into MoM my energy shield just gets depleted in 2-3 hits and just doesn't seem to be leeching fast enough.
Could I get your most recent PoB (with those new changes) so I can try to feel why it's so different?

But Eldrich Battery + Energy leech definitely solves all mana problems, I can let go of clarity, bring back skitterbots and maybe one more aura (defiance banner for instance) which is pretty good

I posted my most recent PoB a page or two ago. Haven’t really had time to play this weekend so nothing has changed.

Alright, from what I see we pretty much have the same thing, and your setup seems less tanky overall atm (less life / ES), so I am wondering what kind of content you are doing right now? Are you in T16 maps?
Because I seem to be fine up to about T11 but in T16 the monsters just deplete my ES too fast.

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Diacred wrote:

Alright, from what I see we pretty much have the same thing, and your setup seems less tanky overall atm (less life / ES), so I am wondering what kind of content you are doing right now? Are you in T16 maps?
Because I seem to be fine up to about T11 but in T16 the monsters just deplete my ES too fast.

If I actually had 5 passives to spend for pathing to EB MoM, I'd just shift the passives to Deep Thoughts + Arcane Will or drop 2 points for Alira (flat 5 mana regen = 1/4 of a level 20 clarity).

There should be a breakpoint: 3.5 * (VD Cost * Desecrate cost) is the raw regen you need per second after modifiers. I think at 300+ mana it should cap out and you never have to worry about it again.

I didn't need 5 points to path to EB, just 4 were enough.
Here is my current setup: https://pastebin.com/8x2A4Bz5

But from what I've seen after a few maps / logbooks of testing, even with EB you eventually run out of ES / Mana when you reach a certain cast speed threshold, it's far more manageable with EB though, but you still get to a point where you have nothing left, the build is just far too mana hungry :D
I still feel like the build is better with EB, but MoM requires too much points invested if you want Glorious Vanity + Unnatural instincts, you have to travel all the way to Agnostic / the jewel near it to setup your Glorious Vanity and it doesn't feel worth it atm, especially with the fact that even with EB I eventually run out of ES.
Still, the setup allows me to bring back my skitterbots and skip clarity. I also think I am going to replace my shield with a life + ES on block instead of mana on block as I don't need mana anymore. That might also make MoM viable I don't know. Definitely also need a watcher's eye with ES on hit while affected by discipline.

Edit: I might spec into Ethereal Feast to improve the ES regeneration too

So, just bought a life on block shield + ES on block shield, and it helps even more but even with that I sometimes go down to 10-15% ES after the ramp up :p

Edit: happens fairly rarely tho, just did a juicy logbook and as long as I am cycloning in the middle of the mobs my ES doesn't go down. If I run away it eventually goes down to 0 :p

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Diacred wrote:

So, just bought a life on block shield + ES on block shield, and it helps even more but even with that I sometimes go down to 10-15% ES after the ramp up :p

Edit: happens fairly rarely tho, just did a juicy logbook and as long as I am cycloning in the middle of the mobs my ES doesn't go down. If I run away it eventually goes down to 0 :p

Man that nutty. I might have a few hours to play tonight after my family goes to sleep, so I can do more testing and try DD out on Baran.