[3.21] Aegis Incinerate Elementalist - Tank with over 10mil Shaper DPS!

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stoudtlr wrote:

I haven't done any theory crafting yet, but have any of you thought about the Interrogation small cluster jewel? Downside would be losing out on the +max res on the amulet and whatever points we would need to lose rearranging the tree to include it. Positives would be getting back the amulet slot and not needing to worry about matching strength and intel.

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

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Claeysken wrote:

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stoudtlr wrote:

I haven't done any theory crafting yet, but have any of you thought about the Interrogation small cluster jewel? Downside would be losing out on the +max res on the amulet and whatever points we would need to lose rearranging the tree to include it. Positives would be getting back the amulet slot and not needing to worry about matching strength and intel.

But then we wouldn't be able to shock (lose a lot of dps) or ignite (for the damage bonus of Combustion) anymore either.

Hey good to see you again! We have missed you in the thread. There has been a ton of theory crafting the last few weeks in prep for 3.17 in the thread.

After a few iterations and some in game experimentation by a few players, this is our working baseline (use the level 98 tree to see end game potential)

https://pastebin.com/KEutATp1

Some highlights are

1) Back to Inquisitor
2) Crit instead of EO
3) Leadership Price for end game (large dps and defensive boost)
4) Sustained Righteous Fire (the main reason for Inquisitor)
5) Very high armor
6) Full Ailment immunity
7) High overcapped resists

I would love to hear your comments after you get a chance to review.

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

ok after a small amount of playing with POB, this is what I have found by removing Leadership Price amulet and adding in Interrogation cluster

* Good news is that even when we don't have the extra 3% to the Fire cap with Leadership's price, it looks like we can still sustain Righteous Fire. Obviously we will be less tanky to elemental damage without a well rolled Leadership's Price.

* Where best to put Interrogation Cluster is a pain

- I tried removing Self Control but if we do that, we have to give up at the very least Herald of Ash which is a massive amount of damage in end game

- I tried to path to the upper right to get to a free socket, but that is 7 expensive points to get there. We would have to give up a ton to use those points. Looking around I don't see anything worth giving up

- The best hope we have if we want to make this change is to replace Glorious Vanity directly for Interrogation. We can recover a decent amount of the ES we lose via the now free amulet slot. But I can't figure out how to fix the ES regen problem we have when we get rid of Glorious Vanity/Corrupted Soul...

If any one has any ideas on how to fix ES regen with out Glorious Vanity, please let me know


* There is a chance we create a chicken and egg problem if we swap Leadership Price for Interrogation

Leadership Price provides us Brittle/Scorch/Sap when ever we do fire damage (which is constantly)

Interrogation on the other hand, provides us Brittle/Scorch/Sap when ever we crit. But the chicken and egg problem is that it is Brittle itself that gives us a TON of crit chance. We still have a decent amount of crit chance with out Brittle but instinct tells me it is going to be slower to stack Brittle/Sap/Scorch with Interrogation than it will be with Leadership's price.

Having never used any of these mechanics, I have no idea if this is really a problem or not.

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Claeysken wrote:

Sorry guys, just haven't been into PoE lately, too many other games to play ^^

Very interesting changes!
Very nice dmg boost while actually sustaining the defences. And EZ crit cap with practically no investment.

Just getting an ok roll Leadership Price might prove expensive though.

What about the loss of AoE btw? (because no more Elementalist AoE)

Interested to see this in action!

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stoudtlr wrote:

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

ok after a small amount of playing with POB, this is what I have found by removing Leadership Price amulet and adding in Interrogation cluster

* Good news is that even when we don't have the extra 3% to the Fire cap with Leadership's price, it looks like we can still sustain Righteous Fire. Obviously we will be less tanky to elemental damage without a well rolled Leadership's Price.

* Where best to put Interrogation Cluster is a pain

- I tried removing Self Control but if we do that, we have to give up at the very least Herald of Ash which is a massive amount of damage in end game

- I tried to path to the upper right to get to a free socket, but that is 7 expensive points to get there. We would have to give up a ton to use those points. Looking around I don't see anything worth giving up

- The best hope we have if we want to make this change is to replace Glorious Vanity directly for Interrogation. We can recover a decent amount of the ES we lose via the now free amulet slot. But I can't figure out how to fix the ES regen problem we have when we get rid of Glorious Vanity/Corrupted Soul...

If any one has any ideas on how to fix ES regen with out Glorious Vanity, please let me know


* There is a chance we create a chicken and egg problem if we swap Leadership Price for Interrogation

Leadership Price provides us Brittle/Scorch/Sap when ever we do fire damage (which is constantly)

Interrogation on the other hand, provides us Brittle/Scorch/Sap when ever we crit. But the chicken and egg problem is that it is Brittle itself that gives us a TON of crit chance. We still have a decent amount of crit chance with out Brittle but instinct tells me it is going to be slower to stack Brittle/Sap/Scorch with Interrogation than it will be with Leadership's price.

Having never used any of these mechanics, I have no idea if this is really a problem or not.

Here's the POB I came up with for using the cluster instead of amulet. Still a 98 point tree. Switched the medium clusters to dual unwavering/vital focus. This keeps us stun immune without the tree points and also gives us more regen to make up for max fire res being lower.

https://pastebin.com/sbEixSBd

Gained about 1mil dps, but a little less tanky since we lost the +max res from the amulet. Need to adjust the gear stats a bit to get back to fires res being the highest for wise oak.

My opinion of this version versus amulet version:
+ no stat matching requirement
+ cheaper maybe (Interrogation is 50c compared to ~12ex for well rolled Leadership's Price, but now a dual influence +1 fire and +1 spell amulet is needed to which will be 4-8ex)
- less max resistance
- less net regen due to less resistance, but can still maintain RF
- gloves must have both "adds X to X cold damage" and "adds X to X lightning damage" in order to get brittle and sapped since cluster jewel doesn't give conflux like amulet does.


We won't know until tried, but I don't think brittle will be an issue for either version since we have 40% crit with no brittle stacks. Only two hits on average to get the first brittle and crit chance will just keep going up from there.

My initial thought is it's about 50/50 for the two versions, but I think the Leadership's Price version slightly wins out. Once we break the 10mil DPS mark I think the extra tankiness of the higher max res is better than another 1mil DPS.

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

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Claeysken wrote:

Sorry guys, just haven't been into PoE lately, too many other games to play ^^

Very interesting changes!
Very nice dmg boost while actually sustaining the defences. And EZ crit cap with practically no investment.

Just getting an ok roll Leadership Price might prove expensive though.

What about the loss of AoE btw? (because no more Elementalist AoE)

Interested to see this in action!

AOE will definitely be lower than Elemetalist. We grab a little AOE on the tree but this version is much more single target oriented I think.

Leadership Price certainly won't be cheap, but we are really only looking for Fire res. I am simply going to buy the cheapest available and then toss a few divines at it until I get something ok looking.

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Claeysken wrote:

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

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Claeysken wrote:

Sorry guys, just haven't been into PoE lately, too many other games to play ^^

Very interesting changes!
Very nice dmg boost while actually sustaining the defences. And EZ crit cap with practically no investment.

Just getting an ok roll Leadership Price might prove expensive though.

What about the loss of AoE btw? (because no more Elementalist AoE)

Interested to see this in action!

AOE will definitely be lower than Elemetalist. We grab a little AOE on the tree but this version is much more single target oriented I think.

Leadership Price certainly won't be cheap, but we are really only looking for Fire res. I am simply going to buy the cheapest available and then toss a few divines at it until I get something ok looking.

You can't divine them, afaik they are always corrupted?

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

I think this looks very good!

Some comments

* You can add a new enchantment on the amulet since we only use one curse and don't need Whispers of Doom. Maybe just go back to Prismatic Skin again...plenty of choices.

* Your comment about the added damage type to proc Brittle and Sap is both astute and concerning. I am under the impression that the alt ailments need a certain level of damage to proc. Will the small amount of cold and lightning damage we add via gloves be enough to proc Brittle and Sap? Stronger monsters also have higher ailment thresholds which may be problematic.

Assuming my last comment is not important, I agree that both versions look good but that Leadership's Price wins out slightly. If my above comment however is important, it may make the Interrogation version significantly weaker.

Let me know your thoughts

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Claeysken wrote:

You can't divine them, afaik they are always corrupted?

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stoudtlr wrote:

AFAIK the alt ailments have a 100% chance to proc on a critical strike just like regular ailments do so I don't think we have to worry about the damage thresholds..