Wolcen Hype Release!

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grepman wrote:

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The_Scourge wrote:

Holy shit, I always assumed the Rogue bonus for Siegebreaker's Salvatory Anchor was *active* dodge. It's PASSIVE.

That's a game-changer.

did they fix the related bug when you equip helmet and chest of the same base type ? and even if different type, some bug with re-equipping. Remember scratching my head and then taking helmet off and re-equipping it, gained me 500 resists. lol

I think so; there were patch notes regarding Salvatory Anchor/Elevated Gains calculations. It's very much worth reading their notes with each weekly patch.

Also, sorry for not responding to your longer post. I'm still processing the last part regarding powercreep/leap. The rest I think is a gentle agree to disagree regarding the importance of story as an underpinning to the 'replayable' part of any given game. :)

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The_Scourge wrote:

Holy shit, I always assumed the Rogue bonus for Siegebreaker's Salvatory Anchor was *active* dodge. It's PASSIVE.

That's a game-changer.

Seem weak compared with using a bruiser chest that give a few thousand health regeneration points or Heavy chest that could give 2 thousand resist.

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awesome999 wrote:

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The_Scourge wrote:

Holy shit, I always assumed the Rogue bonus for Siegebreaker's Salvatory Anchor was *active* dodge. It's PASSIVE.

That's a game-changer.

Seem weak compared with using a bruiser chest that give a few thousand health regeneration points or Heavy chest that could give 2 thousand resist.

*shrug* It still lends a LOT of durability to a traditionally flimsy playstyle. I don't do 'compared to'. That's for people who like to break their toys too quickly and then complain to the manufacturer.

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The_Scourge wrote:

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awesome999 wrote:

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The_Scourge wrote:

Holy shit, I always assumed the Rogue bonus for Siegebreaker's Salvatory Anchor was *active* dodge. It's PASSIVE.

That's a game-changer.

Seem weak compared with using a bruiser chest that give a few thousand health regeneration points or Heavy chest that could give 2 thousand resist.

*shrug* It still lends a LOT of durability to a traditionally flimsy playstyle. I don't do 'compared to'. That's for people who like to break their toys too quickly and then complain to the manufacturer.

Siegebreaker's Salvatory Anchor doesn't seem to be for that purpose. That skill tree literally scream face tank. Exorcist's Branded Burst probably has better synergy with dodge.

Finding a way to make something work that 'Doesn't seem to be for that purpose' is key to enjoying an ARPG beyond the cheap thrill of easy power and spoon-fed meta. It's called off-classing. It's how I came up with the Meleemancer for D2, for example, and that thing was kind of legendary. PoE-wise, look at anything by Ghudda. He's a genius of off-class building. The ridiculous crap he's pulled off over the years...

Off-classing is sacred. Which is good, because you could off-class in Sacred 2. And Sacred 1. And Titan Quest. It's very easy to off-class in PoE if you're willing to get acquire the gear.

An ARPG that DOESN'T accommodate this approach is a failure of an ARPG. See: Diablo 3.

Set items are to blame, this is why I am very much against their inclusion in Last Epoch. Unique build-changing items should be limited to one piece, not multiples which pigeonhole you into a certain build.

God damn it, I agree again. I loved sets in D2 early on but they were very mediocre (Sigon's, Death's...great for twinking, but you outgrew them). By LoD they were out of control, but you also had runewords by then and charms and whatnot.

My issues with Last Epoch go well beyond set items, but I'm still a proud first wave supporter and feel kind of privileged to know their CM as an old guard Exile. I want that game to kick so much arse, but it won't match Wolcen for me just because I've come to realise, I'm a serious sucker for kinetic ARPG combat over the meatier math that drives a more technical ARPG like PoE or LE. So be it.

I see "fluid combat in Wolcen" and can't help but laugh. Hard.

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YourFather wrote:

I see "fluid combat in Wolcen" and can't help but laugh. Hard.

combat is pretty good in wolcen. things have hard cast times and no animation canceling, so you need a rhythm to combat and not just spam and watch Netflix in the background, to get the fludiity. Timing in wolcen is important. It may feel unresponsive, but that's because each action, even potting, is not instant. Except ice nova, which for some reason is instant. Go figure, lol.

Problem is all big arpgs go away from this kinda style because it does get tiring for the majority of players.so to most players who are used to instant feedback, it feels clunky. I understand what the intent was, but it is what it is.


Last epoch is actually looking good. I think that game is much closer to poe, the good old poe too. I don't like playing betas, but I might support and do some playing. I want them to have more differentiation from poe or D2 tho.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Set items are to blame, this is why I am very much against their inclusion in Last Epoch. Unique build-changing items should be limited to one piece, not multiples which pigeonhole you into a certain build.

Thanks for the feedback.

Would you mind if I asked for an example? The sentiment is common among people commenting on item sets in a general sense, but I've never actually seen someone saying "Last Epoch Set A pushes people to use Last Epoch Build 1". The feedback always seems more... hypothetical.