[3.17] Wallach's Hierophant Freezing Pulse Totems (No Further Updates)

Looks like the Soul Mantle nerf may have been unintended, from Bex on reddit:

"We're changing it to be "with 80% More Effect" instead of "with 80% Increased Effect" so that you can still use self-curse reduction to mitigate curses. I can't confirm when this change will be through, however. (As soon as we can)."

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ivdd5m/soul_mantle_nerf_not_listed_in_patch_notes/

Guess I'll try another build while they sort this out

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litmusdragon wrote:

Looks like the Soul Mantle nerf may have been unintended, from Bex on reddit:

"We're changing it to be "with 80% More Effect" instead of "with 80% Increased Effect" so that you can still use self-curse reduction to mitigate curses. I can't confirm when this change will be through, however. (As soon as we can)."

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ivdd5m/soul_mantle_nerf_not_listed_in_patch_notes/

Yeah, this build will go back to normal once they deploy this change (as 80% more effect will not stop 100% reduced effect from nullifying Soul Mantle curses). Glad to hear it, frankly the original change makes no sense.

thanks for clarifying. This almost gave me a heart attack 2 hrs into league

Unless they also fix coward legacy, still gonna be shit.

Is the Doom effect also "more Curse Effect" ?

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added Curse Effect*(1 + increased_Curse_Effect - reduced_Curse_Effect)*(1 + more_Curse_Effect)*(1 - less_Curse_Effect)

Since the formula for curse effect is something like the above (according to the wiki), wouldn't the Doom effect from self-cast hexes cause up to 54% curse effectiveness with the soul mantle? {0.54= 1*(1+0.3-1)*(1+0.8)*(1-0)}

Making some assumptions here of-course:

1. You have no Less Curse Effect modifiers (Kakizaru and Sanctum of Thought are all Reduced Curse Effect modifier from what I've seen)

2. You have 30 stacks of Doom on all hexes, which is probably unlikely but I'm merely considering an extreme case.

3. The Doom effect is "1% Increased Curse Effect"

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Wallach wrote:

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litmusdragon wrote:

Looks like the Soul Mantle nerf may have been unintended, from Bex on reddit:

"We're changing it to be "with 80% More Effect" instead of "with 80% Increased Effect" so that you can still use self-curse reduction to mitigate curses. I can't confirm when this change will be through, however. (As soon as we can)."

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ivdd5m/soul_mantle_nerf_not_listed_in_patch_notes/

Yeah, this build will go back to normal once they deploy this change (as 80% more effect will not stop 100% reduced effect from nullifying Soul Mantle curses). Glad to hear it, frankly the original change makes no sense.

so what is the difference between more effect and increased effect for curses?

when the change does go into effect, can someone post it in the forum? In the meantime gonna run Enki's Arch Witch, since I'll be able to take that to end game and make some currency. I think this build will be more enjoyable though, so I'll be back here IF they do indeed fix it.

I'm not affected by the Soul Mantle nerf since I have the coward/Atziri shield. However, I think my (tooltip) DPS in the hideout has decreased since the update.

You test with self flag? Probably less curses now?

Also, revert soul mantle when? I need to get on with Heists ...

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Altoid94 wrote:

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Wallach wrote:

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litmusdragon wrote:

Looks like the Soul Mantle nerf may have been unintended, from Bex on reddit:

"We're changing it to be "with 80% More Effect" instead of "with 80% Increased Effect" so that you can still use self-curse reduction to mitigate curses. I can't confirm when this change will be through, however. (As soon as we can)."

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ivdd5m/soul_mantle_nerf_not_listed_in_patch_notes/

Yeah, this build will go back to normal once they deploy this change (as 80% more effect will not stop 100% reduced effect from nullifying Soul Mantle curses). Glad to hear it, frankly the original change makes no sense.

so what is the difference between more effect and increased effect for curses?

Well, you can kind of think of increased / reduced as a base modifier which all sums together, and more / less as multipliers against whatever the base is. Right now the Soul Mantle is applying "80% increased effect", so that is getting summed together with your "reduced effect of curses". If you had two Kikazarus and Sanctum of Thought (100% reduced effect), Soul Mantle would offset 80% of that, leaving you with only 20% reduced effect of curses. Obviously this is going to still get you reamed by a stack of 80% strength curses.

After they change it like they have mentioned, your 100% reduced effect of curses is going to leave you at 0% effect of curses on you, so any more / less multiplier won't matter because anything times 0 is still 0.