[3.10] Herald of Agony Mana Guardian | 2.5 Minute Sirus 8 | Deathless T19 100% Delirium

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Ondrugs wrote:

So far I got the starter gear + some of the high priority upgrades:

-11715 ES with 8977 Mana
-31173 Armour (80%)
-528.2 - 4041 life reg
-overcapped resistances
-24% block chance for attacks + 8% for spells I miss the lethal pride jewel
-I also miss the boots with "cannot be frozen"

Without level 4 enlighten which is actually one of the core items, you'd need at least 4 jewels with "#% reduced mana reserved" corrupted to get the mana reservation on 0% and even so, it will not allow us to use skitter bots and hatred which is a huge loss in damage, through shock. SO ENLIGHTEN LEVEL 4 IS A MUST HAVE FOR THE BUILD ACTUALLY.

I got 4 spectres and yet the build is immune to most chaos damage, has no problems with phys but feels like paper in the wind. If you are not going for the pantheon which grants stun immunity, you get easily stunned to death. if you get the ascendancy "Bastion of Hope" instead of "unwavering Crusade", which you should only take if you get a mod "10% chance to intimidate enemies", I'd loose about 140k dps,.... it takes like aeons to actually kill something. especially bosses on a T15-16. A cannot regen map is overkill for this build from what I experience, so I wonder why the con's didn't said that.

The point is, if I feel with 5 ex+ investment like I would play a 20c character, it feels not satisfying and enjoyable at all. I would be interested in the guy who plays -1000 delve with that,....

We have very different experiences this league with this build. I hit 97 before I went away this weekend, the last level rolling T14-T16 for quantity/pack size and max metamorphs in those maps. After some reckless things (like HoGM) at 96, I died once on the way. To Sirus 8 storms, ran too close to one before the patch.

Are you criticizing the mana reservation in the guide while running hatred with no enlighten at all? From experience, HoA(Empower/Vicious Projectiles) + Hatred/Skitterbots does not require Enlighten 4 or anything expensive. I ran enlighten 3 until recently, those are cheap.

Circle of Nostalgia 36% is also pretty low, I bought one at 37% and still haven't rerolled it. I do run conqueror's efficiency jewel though, if you don't have enlighten 4, +1 shapers gloves, or helm enchant you may need that jewel. Or 40% circle of nostalgia. Maim instead of Vicious Projectiles is a common choice because mana reservation is a big deal for this build. People add Flesh and Stone as well, but it is very clear that aura with Vicious projectiles is not going to be cheap. Even using Charisma annointment, but flesh and stone is not at all required.

No regen maps: Yeah, I advise rerolling those. They can be done, but a lot of this build's survival is regen. I have done corrupted red maps for atlas completion with no regen, I run mana flask with does not stop at full mana. But now you run ES with recharge only. You can do T14-T16 bosses, you might not be able to do maxxed metamorph on no regen.

Also with the +24% from awakening 8 at endgame, usually reroll 65% chance to avoid poison/stun/whatever. That goes to 80% avoidance. Small single target boss fights or metamorphs are really frustrating. I haven't failed to kill any of a dozen or so maps likes that, but a few bosses and metas I wasted several minutes. Map clear is still solid, but bossing sometimes outright isn't.

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QuickJim wrote:

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Hjelpen93 wrote:

Its because you no longer have any extra poison damage with your new wand, so you need to use Lesser poison support instead of poison support now

I've just tried this, and it's worked. I have absolutely no clue as to why or how.... :/

Thank you

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bluesylph wrote:

Do you have a ring of nostalgia?

Nope, not yet

What's your ball lightning setup?

Got my first Sirus kill.
I played Caustic arrow trickster at the start of the league (failed Sirus 3 times from personal fuckups and stairs block) and switched to this about a week and a half ago.

Got the kill on awekener 7 deathless.
Used feeding frenzy instead of meat shield on the flayers (they didn't die).
For pantheons i used Lunaris + Soul of garukhan (wasn't sure if i can face tank so i opted for this).

Great build and thanks again!

Been working on this build so far doing well. Kills A6 Sirus (took a long time. DPS is a bit low but I know i still have some upgrades to do.) Thanks for a super tanky build.

Anyway, I did a bad thing and weapon swapped in Karui Shores and forgot to swap back and now my Flayers are gone. Anyone online willing to let me desecrate?

Thanks.

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hitmantb wrote:

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NSUCK wrote:

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hitmantb wrote:

Just realized an Elegant Hubris on the left jewel socket may be an alternative to Lethal Pride.

Check out the mods on this thing. This may benefit the Skeleton alternative the most as 240-320% minion damage scales much more with it, and it can spare points from not having to go heavy into mana reservation.

https://poedb.tw/us/unique.php?n=Elegant_Hubris

May be an interesting side project to roll. Saw some crazy necromancer skeleton damage numbers at well over 2 million PER skeleton. Even discount ascendancy differences, we should be able to hit much higher damage.

I figured out how to record. Did a quick video of some metamorphs to show DPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWV6U3YEaMY&t=45s

If you don't mind, please try to record a video of either Sirus 9 or Uber Elder on awaken 8 that at least match CTSabba's time, so we can see an apple to apple comparison.

Here is a Necromancer one using their highest skeleton damage build which took 2:49: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA3mVy-d9hs

If you remove CTSabba's Sirus talk/intro, which the Necromancer build doesn't have, they are within 10 seconds of each other. I am not convinced Guardian Skeleton boss damage is better than Herald of Agony, level 31 on both side. And Herald of Agony obviously has advantage on mapping speed.

Now if both builds are at least equal on damage, you have 27K energy shield and that is a huge advantage.

Also for some reason when I import your character you have 19K energy shield, do you have a recent POB?

I'll try to remember next time I spawn Sirus.

https://pastebin.com/wjj80UW1

I'll try to do a map too, I just lag a lot and often so its not exactly a great display of clear.

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Ondrugs wrote:

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hitmantb wrote:

Mana Guardian caught the POE world by storm when POEDan took it to a whopping 1359 hardcore delve level in Legion. He had something like 27K energy shield, 40K armor, and well over 1 million in Shaper DPS.

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So far I got the starter gear + some of the high priority upgrades:

-11715 ES with 8977 Mana
-31173 Armour (80%)
-528.2 - 4041 life reg
-overcapped resistances
-24% block chance for attacks + 8% for spells I miss the lethal pride jewel
-I also miss the boots with "cannot be frozen"

Without level 4 enlighten which is actually one of the core items, you'd need at least 4 jewels with "#% reduced mana reserved" corrupted to get the mana reservation on 0% and even so, it will not allow us to use skitter bots and hatred which is a huge loss in damage, through shock. SO ENLIGHTEN LEVEL 4 IS A MUST HAVE FOR THE BUILD ACTUALLY.

I got 4 spectres and yet the build is immune to most chaos damage, has no problems with phys but feels like paper in the wind. If you are not going for the pantheon which grants stun immunity, you get easily stunned to death. if you get the ascendancy "Bastion of Hope" instead of "unwavering Crusade", which you should only take if you get a mod "10% chance to intimidate enemies", I'd loose about 140k dps,.... it takes like aeons to actually kill something. especially bosses on a T15-16. A cannot regen map is overkill for this build from what I experience, so I wonder why the con's didn't said that.

The point is, if I feel with 5 ex+ investment like I would play a 20c character, it feels not satisfying and enjoyable at all. I would be interested in the guy who plays -1000 delve with that,....

I generated your POB, you have 1.4 million shaper damage if you switch from sand to blood stance which is very respectable given your durability. Once you get 21 Herald of Agony, Empower 4, 20/20 other jewels you will hit 2 million even before skitterbot.

I believe no generation for our build is MUCH easier/smoother than physical/elemental reflect for just about all other builds. You just need a mana flask and while you don't have regen, unless these maps have huge damage mods on top of no regen they are still push overs.

https://pastebin.com/wHFq5Z8g

By the way enlighten 3 should allow you to not have to take that fragile bloom jewel which is -10% durability for you.

Do you really feel the build is worse than the Baron Zombie one you are playing this league in term of clearing speed? You are missing the two hander there which is their equivalent of our corrupted chest armor, so it is a good apple-to-apple comparison.

One common issue is you are probably not pressing and holding convocation with ball of lightning, so your crawler is not positioned to do damage. Once you start doing that, I don't see the difference between crawler and most other spells.

Guys im having a huuuge problem keeping Spectres alive through most T15-16 maps at Awakener 4.. I still don´t have the Delve minions as I havent done any Delve at all this league yet..

Are the Delve ones so much more tankier that they will not die?

Mostly pretty decent build, although Metamorphs take hours to kill if they don´t kill all my portals but Im still at lvl18 gems without qual.. so I guess thats why I don´t have deeps or life :P

Should I get ES leech or something to sustain my ES through big hits?

Well your gems are still underleveled for 15-16 thats why your damage feels lackluster. For T15-16 you want to have a total Level 28 HoA or more. What Spectre are you using currently? The Stoneskin Flayers have ~150k HP.

Very solid build, finished all content with this. Very well explained. Thanks!

[Delve Update]

Hit 1500!

I struggled around 1450 where I felt that DPS is not enough when the node has "more life" mod.
I decided to craft the amulet with +2 gem that can increase DPS by sacrificing some ES. And I got 10M DPS, and I can reach 1500 now.

PoB: https://pastebin.com/9zGyA2Qv

Video: https://youtu.be/_7dBy9cmXBM


DPS: 10M with Deathmark
Energy Shield: 13,873
Melee Block: 75% (max)
Spell Block: 68%
Attack & Spell Dodge: 10%
Armor: 54K, 81% physical dmg reduction
Evasion: 12.9K, 48% evasion chance