[3.13] HC/SC/SSF All Content Miner - Any Mine Skill - LL/CI - 12k ES w/ Videos!
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I have to recolored it right can't really use the white socket with 3 blue. Sold my HH to get this. | |
" Clear speed wise, icicle is far better and safer. PF is a great skill though, if you do like it, that works well. Honestly, all of the meta skills - PF, GC, Icicle, Pyro and BL are all good imo, mines are OP in general. |
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" Speaking of that... I've switched from Arc Mines this league, and while I am immensely enjoying the ability to shatter everything (I've lost count how many times I died to Porcupines with Arc because Acrobatics is a meme instead of a proper layer of defense), my subjective perceived feeling is: Icicle clears miles worse with Arc. I also had way worse gear with Arc, I have 6Ls of Arc and Pyro both, yet bosses died from Pyro about 3 times longer than now with Icicle - imagine how bad the gear was, no jewels, nothing but Tremor Rod, crappy resist/life rares everywhere... And still, Arc cleared better (on perceived level). It mostly comes down to the fact that Icicle just misses everything. When I saw a pack of enemies in some room with arc, I just threw a mine there and went on my business - everything will be dead. With Icicle, it's especially painful with Legion Obelisks (I 'fully' clear them before the timer runs out in like 1 case out of 20 at most), also clearing the 100% bar in Incursions, clearing the Oba's Cursed Trove levels also feels way worse with Icicle than with Arc. When I said that to a friend, he said that perhaps I am simply too used to Arc and playing it a bit wrong - I'm used to jump forward and throw mines at my feet instead of directly close to the enemy packs; also, I am extremely used to chains. Perhaps I just try going with Awakened Chain instead of Pierce - simply to test whether my subjective pain would go away this way? |
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" For 1: Not that I am aware of, but it is not factoring in the increased resists. I've tested on standard w/ all kinds of different gear, it is certainly not working as intended. You can test it yourself pretty easily on a big HP target like shaper. PEN is much more valuable than it looks in PoB atm. This is why ele weakness and -res isnt great, as nearly everything is overcapped and they subtract nothing. For 2: The damage coefficient of icicle isnt 100%, and the damage scaling per level isnt flat. With that said, it is better than empower 4, but should equal about the same as inspiration, perhaps around 10% more depending on setup. If you are using it in a gem swap setup to replace pierce, that works, but you would prefer awakened ele focus as that is the best gem for damage. |
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" Correct, which is why most of the advise I always give comes w/ 'it depends on setup'. The guide is a pretty general LL build, can be used for any mine setup barring PF. The tree and gear is pretty similar for all, the only real difference is going to be people gear and + levels which can make a difference in end game dps. TBH though, it doesnt really matter. Once you have 15-20m DPS, everything just melts and adding a bit more doesnt do much. |
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" Very nice. For pure bossing (or standard where and the like are available) the 3rd blue is viable to go w/ Ele focus. I'd try for the greens though as they are more generally useful. Shouldnt take more than 75-100 pulls. Use 1 green on the bench. |
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" Could be a playstyle thing, but I do agree, Arc clears better, but does not scale as well as icicle does, As the damage coefficient is even lower and the general power spike the build gets from leveled is more. With arc you can sit back and cast, with icicle you should probably jump into packs. Should still be safer though with the freeze. IMO the hardest scaling mine skill w/ the best all around potential is GC, its just annoying to get up and running to an acceptable level. Also plays the best w/ prism guardian. |
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Thx for your answer, Do you think empower is the clear choice here. For some reason I am afraid to lose pierce but with so much damage I guess it wont matter to much:) Edit: not feeling so good without Pierce even tought my dps is 140k unbuffed, but deleting the boss and Metamorhp in 2 seconds.
Maybe swaping Pierce for Cold pen for clearing is a possibility. I have 15% from Watcher eye. Last edited by pietoner on Jan 22, 2020, 9:53:39 PM
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I'm planning to start this build next, but I was wondering if Snakepit would be a decent substitute for the chain gem, removing the need to swap in Hypothermia for bosses? Just not sure if the clear would feel good enough with only one chain instead of two.
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" So, 100% you will need pierce to clear. Depending on gear, the best setup should be: Icicle, trap and mine, swift, controlled destruction, cold pen, and pierce that get swapped out for hypo or inspiration or empower or ele focus or awakened cold. |
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