[3.13] HC/SC/SSF All Content Miner - Any Mine Skill - LL/CI - 12k ES w/ Videos!

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Cabanas wrote:

Hello, I would like to thank you for this guide!

I decided to go full pyroclast and I did not regret! Using astral projector ring, I have a very good clearspeed, with the best single target damage I've ever seen in a build.
But I'm curious to know how icicle mine works. Do you guys think it can match the damage output from pyroclast? Is it worth it to try?

Thanks!

With similar gear, icicle will never match the dps of Pyro. However, once you get really good gear, there is practically no difference in boss kill time. Once you go past 8-10m shaper dps everything dies in a second or two.

Once you have that type of gear, making the switch is good as icicle provides better clear and is much safer w/ the freeze.

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BeerLeague wrote:

Doesnt work

Yeah man... I forgot US is a keystone... Ill just play with stun at all =)

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BeerLeague wrote:

Unsure if you are calculating exposure and PEN correctly, they are not additive.

Any exposure or curse like elemental weakness is really terrible this league as most bosses are overcapped due to the buffs or map mods, they subtract nothing in most cases. Pen is just straight damage down to 0% where it starts to get less effective.

In most cases, if you more than 40-50% Cold, or effective Cold Pen, you can skip penetration for a gem that gives more than 30% More Dps.

Added Cold though is not the gem I would replace it with as it is pretty terrible in most instances. Both the red gems, Inspiration and Empower 4 are much better.

Hey Beer,

Unless I'm missing something...

The flat cold on a lv 5 Awakened Added Cold is ~50% more than what a lv 4 Empower provides via the 2 additional gem levels. The former gives 227-341, while the latter only gives ~150-220 (depending on your other sources of +gem levels).

I do have ~40% pen on gear/flask, but Awakened Added Cold is much better than Inspiration, Empower, or Awakened Cold Pen for my setup.

I was wondering if we need Ghost Reaver to make the % spell damage leach as energy shield works on Rare glove. About helm is -9% to cold really worth it; I am not sure what 'nearby' actually means in term of radius.

Thx

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BeerLeague wrote:

Unsure if you are calculating exposure and PEN correctly, they are not additive.

Any exposure or curse like elemental weakness is really terrible this league as most bosses are overcapped due to the buffs or map mods, they subtract nothing in most cases. Pen is just straight damage down to 0% where it starts to get less effective.

In most cases, if you more than 40-50% Cold, or effective Cold Pen, you can skip penetration for a gem that gives more than 30% More Dps.

Added Cold though is not the gem I would replace it with as it is pretty terrible in most instances. Both the red gems, Inspiration and Empower 4 are much better.

Hey Beer,

Unless I'm missing something...

The flat cold on a lv 5 Awakened Added Cold is ~50% more than what a lv 4 Empower provides via the 2 additional gem levels. The former gives 227-341, while the latter only gives ~150-220 (depending on your other sources of +gem levels).

I do have ~40% pen on gear/flask, but Awakened Added Cold is much better than Inspiration, Empower, or Awakened Cold Pen for my setup.

It does depend on the gem level itself, but awakened added cold is much worse in most setups than cold pen or inspiration. for some setups it is also worse than empower.

Remember that PoB is not accurate in its mob resists at the moment as well.

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pietoner wrote:

I was wondering if we need Ghost Reaver to make the % spell damage leach as energy shield works on Rare glove. About helm is -9% to cold really worth it; I am not sure what 'nearby' actually means in term of radius.

Thx

Ghost Reaver is only for machina mitts usage, without them dont use it.

It isnt needed, but it is helpful - its around half the screen

First time I saw your guide was thinking about going pyroclast but I got my hands on and went purifying to take advantage of all +4 it gives. You think icicle or pyroclast can match the clearspeed of purifying? The regen it grants is pretty attractive too. I'm probably starting next league with mines, really liked the playstyle without using minefield, for me minefield is awful.

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BeerLeague wrote:

It does depend on the gem level itself, but awakened added cold is much worse in most setups than cold pen or inspiration. for some setups it is also worse than empower.

Remember that PoB is not accurate in its mob resists at the moment as well.

1) POB: what exactly is the issue? (and is there a place where one can see current POB issues?) I'm checking Shaper/Guardian, which says: +50% ele res. If I remove all ele pen from the build, and switch from "None" to "Shaper/Guardian", the damage decreases by ~50%.

2) Empower: let's say you have lv21 icicle and +2 from elsewhere. Added cold gives +1 which makes lv24. Added cold also gives 227-341 flat. Swapping a lv4 Empower would add 2 gem levels, granting only 164-245 flat. Independent of PoB, it's just worse... you need a lv 5 Empower to beat Awakened Added Cold lv5.


Sorry, not trying to be annoying... just want to make sure I understand! Don't want to be wasting currency on min-maxing in the wrong direction.

Personally, I don't think you are annoying, and I would be surprised if Beer does - because him and this topic, IMO, are the best knowledge bases regarding Icicle mines on these forums, even if someone prefers to choose some different options for their variation of the build.

So if we manage to get down to the bottom of this question, it would definitely benefit everyone.

In my case (https://pastebin.com/e6yY3FzK), I have 50% Cold Pen from gear/flask, lvl25 Icicle (and eventually will get a +4 Shavs instead of +2, so it will be lvl27), and when I set target as Shaper, Awa Cold Pen still shows slightly higher numbers than Awa Added Cold. Awa Added Cold also loses to Inspiration, Emp4 and Hypothermia in that scenario.