Code of Conduct Changes - Do better at least for optics

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elemental_oasis wrote:
politics and religion topics are more potent than abortion.


Des goûts et des couleurs on ne discute pas.

Peace,

-Boem-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
Knock it off, Oasis. We know your opinion on P&R, you don't need to relentlessly hammer it.

The objection, and the one I was poking at with my other thread you decided to poo in, is that without the ability to discuss "Potentially Inflammatory Subjects", pretty much every single possible potential subject of discussion is banned.

Want to talk about a really cool history book you just read concerning a contentious event in world history? NOPE

Want to talk about a current news event of any sort? NOPE

Want to talk about a more philosophical subject, such as the treatment of women in modern society or the role of government in everyday life (independent of political stance)? NOOOOOPE

You can no longer talk about fuggoff anything of any note, importance, or interest in here, which sucks because Path of Exile had an oddly mature and interesting-to-converse-with Off-Topic userbase compared to most online-game shitholes. Now we can't have those talks, because any time someone's feathers get remotely rustled, Thred Ded.

A true shame.
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Boem wrote:
I find it highly curious and interesting that people support the base-line notion that discussions about politics and religion inadvertendly lead to inpolite behavior or communication.

We had a whole debate on the abortion thing going for over nine pages i think(i assume this is also a contentious subject for a lot of people) and as far as i can recollect nobody crossed the line on that subject though obviously very varying opinions were being put forth from all participants.

I don't see how people caring for a subject makes the subject volatile intrinsically.

I would say that off-topic on these boards generally has an abundance of good faith actors in comparison to bad faith actors.

Not talking about personality traits here, just civility in discussion.

Peace,

-Boem-


On that abortion thread, it's very clear now that some(or a few) at GGG were personally upset at the discussion. While some moderators didnt feel the thread was violating any rules (and it wasnt), it went on for 9 pages or so. The next shift or collection of support staff wasn't happy about it and nuked it.

It wasn't long after, that the the CoC changed with mental health of staffers as a significant reason. It's not cool, but here we are.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
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DarthSki44 wrote:
On that abortion thread, it's very clear now that some(or a few) at GGG were personally upset at the discussion.


They should really try a customer service job if they get upset at stuff they see on this forum.

I worked customer service (like many after college) and some of the folks were brutal though back then we didn't need safe spaces for all these sensitive little people.

GGG should build little igloos for them. With cuddly toys (Winne the Pooh) and crayons.
Censored.
If you worked customer service after college, then you should be aware that people are fucking awful to CS folks and that the job is very mentally taxing and super stressful.

I don't blame anyone who wants to try and find a way to make it better. Doesn't mean I agree with the whole "nobody talk about anything interesting ever again" decision, but what do you want from Tencent, ne? Grinding Gear is a Chinese-owned company now, and if 1984 is ever going to happen for real, China is where it's going to start and everybody knows it.

Improve your social score, comrade.
GGG has every right to limit the forum to whatever they want. It is reasonable, IMHO, to ban discussions on politics and religion. It doesn't matter why they did it. I have to believe that they did it for the reasons already stated. I consider it a silly unsupported conspiracy theory that some people are blaming Tencent for this. Tencent is a huge company. I can't imagine them caring one wit about what we discuss here.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
Dont underestimate Chinese sensitivity TD.

They are the most populous country in the world, and one of the largest economies. However if ANYONE speaks out about the state or Xi (including Winnie the fucking Pooh) they crackdown.

To say GGG is too small, and they dont care, isnt true in the slightest imo.

Spoiler
wait is this political discussion??
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Jun 6, 2019, 4:20:11 PM
Experiment confirmed.

Thread posted which would've been perfectly peachy-keen fine (at least until the grognards derailed it) last week? Deleted in less than an hour today.

Remember, errybuddy - no more discussing anything worth talking about on the Path of Exile forums. Including Path of Exile, because remember - whatever your opinion of the game is, someone will disagree with it, and disagreement is now forbidden around here.
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DarthSki44 wrote:
Dont underestimate Chinese sensitivity TD.

They are the most populous country in the world, and one of the largest economies. However if ANYONE speaks out about the state or Xi (including Winnie the fucking Pooh) they crackdown.

To say GGG is too small, and they dont care, isnt true in the slightest imo.

Spoiler
wait is this political discussion??


Maybe, but only if we were discussing Chinese politics. No reason I can think of that they would be concerned about USA politics.

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GGG has provided completely reasonable explanations for the change. I'm surprised they didn't ban political discussions years ago. It's a no win proposition for GGG to even allow it.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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Turtledove wrote:

GGG has provided completely reasonable explanations for the change. I'm surprised they didn't ban political discussions years ago. It's a no win proposition for GGG to even allow it.


Political discussion is one thing.

Just got a message from Kieran_GGG telling me that philosophical debate is also banned, and furthermore instructing me to avoid "testing" the new policy by posting things which might be inflammatory.

Grinding Gear's stance for the change is indeed reasonable. I have no doubt it was a factor in their thinking. I also have no doubt it was not the only factor in their thinking, especially since the monumental Chinese Skynet digital overlords you just pointed out as being in possession of effectively infinite resources as compared to any scale we operate on does a significant chunk of their thinking for them these days.

Remember, everybody - no more discussion of anything relevant or interesting. We all have to be very careful not to lower our social scores.

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