[3.6] The Blizz Sorc - Icestorm/Winter Orb CI Occultist - Viable For Everything
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Horroren1 wrote:
Ello iam rly enjoying this build(2.1K int,12K ES), currently at lvl 99.5 hopefuly i will finish 100 soon. Ive made some changes which helped me alot. My gear isnt top-notch iam still looking for better chest piece but those what i like are around 30ex and iam not sure if i want to spend almost all my currency on it. So.....
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tested many times and cold pene isnt best option here, controlled destruction/ele focus is waaaay better(staff still make chilling ground ignoring ele focus, thanks to that mobs are chilled and hypotermia procs properly + chill and freeze from winter orb) life leech gem is big damage loss and with watcher's eye with ES gain on enemy hit/discipline + 1.4% leech/vitality i have no issues at all facetanking pure chayula/shaper/uber.
and ofc on boss i switch spell cascade for conc effect
on uber, maybe uber atziri i switch frostbite for enfeeble but most the time i dont i just like moar deeps.
most of my gear is standart stuff(iam lazy so i went for unset ring where i have vigilant strike for bosses and portal for all other mapping etc.) big upgrade in dmg is boots setup with vortex+bonechill+arcane surge, on T13 and lower maps i just run and spam vortex and everything die. Golem switched for frost bomb in lvl 20 cwdt setup, 4% reduction is...meh, iam either full hp constant leech or instakilled by something ridiculous which didnt happend for very long time to me. After fight i quickly remove blood rage from link and iam fine(after few deaths when i killed boss and slowly died to BL aferwards)
i also did adjustments in skill tree, ditched trickery and 2int nodes along with it and went for potency of will, in combination with exceptional performance and almost 2.1K int my icestorm have 8.6s duration so if target wont move for 8 sec...you can imagine how dmg skyrocket.
Also Might of the meek jewel is VERY good if you use it on top jewel spot under breath of rime/heart of ice circle, you must sacrifice frost walker for it, but its 100% worth to do and you save 2 talent points.
this is my way to go, hope i inspired someone...
if needed ask me anything :)
That's an interesting approach! So you don't even use Herald of Ice for clear speed? And only 4L WO. And no Flame Dash. I guess you are not in a hurry :) Still, almost lv 100.
I have a couple of optimizations for your tree right away:
- swap Snowforged for Storm Weaver, it's a slightly better option;
- instead of the socket near AoF, take the socket near CI + 30 Dex/Str node (Fertile Mind or Brute Force).
CWDT Frost Bomb? I'm not sure about that. Requires you to take damage first. I typically throw Frost Bomb into a pack ahead.
Vortex + Bonechill? That sounds like an interesting idea, especially with the extra duration.
Cold Pen may be weaker than some other supports for regular mapping, but it works wonders in the Delves. Many types of trash in Delves are very resistant. And all endgame bosses are resistant too.
Last edited by Kelvynn#6607 on Jan 4, 2019, 1:05:29 PM
Thanks for making this guide. I have a few questions:
1) In Pob enabled Vaal Impurity of Ice, lowers the damage per hit by half. Any idea why?
2) Does cast speed effect Icestorm in any way? Increase drop speed of bolts, maybe?
3) Does spell damage affect Icestorm at the 30% effective rate, similar to Add # cold dmg to spell mods?
1) Impurity sets the effective cold resistance against your hits to 0, nullifying your massive penetration. Don't use it.
2) Cast speed does not affect Icestorm procced by CwC. It's a fixed speed with CwC - 0.35s (0.34s with lv 21 CwC).
3) Damage Effectiveness only affects the flat added damage from HoI, Added Cold, etc. It has no effect on Icestorm and 'normal' mods such as Inc Spell Damage.
Ello iam rly enjoying this build(2.1K int,12K ES), currently at lvl 99.5 hopefuly i will finish 100 soon. Ive made some changes which helped me alot. My gear isnt top-notch iam still looking for better chest piece but those what i like are around 30ex and iam not sure if i want to spend almost all my currency on it. So.....
Spoiler
tested many times and cold pene isnt best option here, controlled destruction/ele focus is waaaay better(staff still make chilling ground ignoring ele focus, thanks to that mobs are chilled and hypotermia procs properly + chill and freeze from winter orb) life leech gem is big damage loss and with watcher's eye with ES gain on enemy hit/discipline + 1.4% leech/vitality i have no issues at all facetanking pure chayula/shaper/uber.
and ofc on boss i switch spell cascade for conc effect
on uber, maybe uber atziri i switch frostbite for enfeeble but most the time i dont i just like moar deeps.
most of my gear is standart stuff(iam lazy so i went for unset ring where i have vigilant strike for bosses and portal for all other mapping etc.) big upgrade in dmg is boots setup with vortex+bonechill+arcane surge, on T13 and lower maps i just run and spam vortex and everything die. Golem switched for frost bomb in lvl 20 cwdt setup, 4% reduction is...meh, iam either full hp constant leech or instakilled by something ridiculous which didnt happend for very long time to me. After fight i quickly remove blood rage from link and iam fine(after few deaths when i killed boss and slowly died to BL aferwards)
i also did adjustments in skill tree, ditched trickery and 2int nodes along with it and went for potency of will, in combination with exceptional performance and almost 2.1K int my icestorm have 8.6s duration so if target wont move for 8 sec...you can imagine how dmg skyrocket.
Also Might of the meek jewel is VERY good if you use it on top jewel spot under breath of rime/heart of ice circle, you must sacrifice frost walker for it, but its 100% worth to do and you save 2 talent points.
this is my way to go, hope i inspired someone...
if needed ask me anything :)
That's an interesting approach! So you don't even use Herald of Ice for clear speed? And only 4L WO. And no Flame Dash. I guess you are not in a hurry :) Still, almost lv 100.
I have a couple of optimizations for your tree right away:
- swap Snowforged for Storm Weaver, it's a slightly better option;
- instead of the socket near AoF, take the socket near CI + 30 Dex/Str node (Fertile Mind or Brute Force).
CWDT Frost Bomb? I'm not sure about that. Requires you to take damage first. I typically throw Frost Bomb into a pack ahead.
Vortex + Bonechill? That sounds like an interesting idea, especially with the extra duration.
Cold Pen may be weaker than some other supports for regular mapping, but it works wonders in the Delves. Many types of trash in Delves are very resistant. And all endgame bosses are resistant too.
Thanks for advice swtiched talents :) i have flame dash in offsocket in chest o_O.
I have no problem at all as i said most the time only vortex is enough and iam currently progressing delve to 600 since i finished lvl 100 recently and i dont rly see big difference without herald of ice in clear speed.
Maybe i will try cold pene again on icestorm. uber elder might be good benchmark since everything else melts too fast under almost 9sec icestorm duration :)
Ironically, 6L is useless: SC doesn't do anything for WO, and trading SC for any extra WO support would result in a massive loss of clear speed.
Jonxxxpl and I have been having very much the opposite experience on this one (but we're both running Malediction too)... 6L clears way faster than 5L because SC just can't keep up with WO at that point, while an even stronger Icestorm deals with anything that WO can't instantly obliterate.
Have you tried the 6L yet?
Last edited by vector84#5057 on Jan 4, 2019, 5:48:28 PM
Cold Pen may be weaker than some other supports for regular mapping, but it works wonders in the Delves. Many types of trash in Delves are very resistant. And all endgame bosses are resistant too.
Most bosses aren't actually resistant enough for Cold Pen to be the absolute highest DPS option (even for the Malediction variant, let alone with Frigid Wake)... but against angry map/pack mods (massive res boosts) nothing else can compare imo, and the difference between CP and EF should be quite small on most targets.
Last edited by vector84#5057 on Jan 4, 2019, 5:16:32 PM
Hello my fellow whispering icers! Im having a blast with this build and I can say it's one of the strongest builds I played in PoE so far. I'd like to share my thoughts and build with you.
I also have a watchers eye jewel with vitality/ES on hit mods (I don't know how to link it). I have 1.9k int and 11k ES.
My main issue is with blood rage. I constantly have the feeling that it is not doing much for me besides being very annoying. The amount leeched without it (and arakali) is very high and I can fill my ES in less that 0.5 sec with ES on hit + leech. Is blood rage still needed?
Also I probably want %int on chest and maybe on the belt?
About the +1 curse astra, I feel like the 21/20 frostbite instead of blind adds a lot of dmg to WI and, while blind is good, is it good enough or even better than frostbite? (with 6L i could have both)
Tried to kill Mastermind = Nope (I'm probably a nooblet). Besides the mastermind and uber atziri, (11k storm crap after she died still killed me) all bosses I killed are almost trash encounters (no idea how to get 15/15 zana and uber elder).
May RNGesus smile upon us mortals. Praise.
Last edited by Nerthazul#1228 on Jan 4, 2019, 6:34:25 PM
My main issue is with blood rage. I constantly have the feeling that it is not doing much for me besides being very annoying. The amount leeched without it (and arakali) is very high and I can fill my ES in less that 0.5 sec with ES on hit + leech. Is blood rage still needed?
Personally I take off Blood Rage for situations where it's inconvenient vs having Wicked Ward available - like lab, vulnerability, reduced/no regen, certain boss fights, etc...
But when you want to say... tank a triple hasted Mino, or tank four max rank syndicate members in a fortification on a T16 map... sometimes 0.5s from dead to full just isn't fast enough, and that's when Arakaali really shines.
Last edited by vector84#5057 on Jan 4, 2019, 7:00:58 PM
Doing scion version of this build and have problems with damage for the incursions even with 5l WO. Can someone look into my gear and tree and give advice about how to fix that (have feeling that I miss something because 1594 int with good rolls on gear)?
Doing scion version of this build and have problems with damage for the incursions even with 5l WO. Can someone look into my gear and tree and give advice about how to fix that (have feeling that I miss something because 1594 int with good rolls on gear)?
Your DPS gems are not 20/20 yet when they will be your damage will increase
Your clearing staff has 17% increased intelligence, get one with 18% increased intelligence, every % increased intelligence does matter.
Use Frostbite instead of Enfeeble in the chest for incursion, mobs will be debuffed with -cold resistance and will die faster.
Also if your cold resistance is highest try to get a Wise Oak flask, has % penetration of the element for which the resistance is highest, also help with the damage output a lot.
Templar area jewel slot - use Brute force instead of rare (take also Light of Divinity here after using Brute Force)
Refund Snowforged cluster and take 1 more 30 Str/Dex skil near Avatar of fire and replace rare jewel with Brute Force/Fertile Mind
Also take 1 more 30 Str/Dex skill near Snowforged cluster and use also a Brute Force/Fertile Mind jewel in the socket near CI
If you can afford a Might of the Meek jewel to replace the rare one in the Witch area this will increase your allocated normal nodes in the area by 50%. You will need to refund though Frost Walker and elemental damage node and use those 2 skill points for more int (1 node free in the Witch socket jewel coverage that can also be increased by Might of the Meek)
If you have free skill points after the changes take also Divine Fervour in templar area (it will be boosted by Brute Force also)
Try to get Brute Force/Fertile Mind with 23-24 intelligence they are not so expensive.
Get some corruption % increased intelligence on the belt and on the rings it will boost your intelligence by a lot
Last edited by lilianmarius#0775 on Jan 5, 2019, 11:34:28 AM
Your clearing staff has 17% increased intelligence, get one with 18% increased intelligence, every % increased intelligence does matter.
Thanks for that! I thought I was going crazy with my intelligence changing slightly on me. I'm dyslexic so it's really easy for that kind of thing to slip past me.
I notice the wise oak bisumth flask getting used, that means I need to have my cold res highest to be effective correct? I found one a bit ago and put it in use.