[3.17] Beginner Friendly Arc Mines Guide | All Content on 5L | Lvling Guide

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poeGT wrote:

Just a question. I am not getting the QOL 4lplaystyle. Smoke mines+duration has nothing to do with the spelltotem_detonate right? Just linked because it all fits.

So are you running in throwing the spell totem+detonate down then lay mines for auto detonate? Because the range of spell totem is really small and laying mines+detonating yourself is the exact same amount of key presses. Is it for bosses you so you can just hold down arc mine while totem detonates it? Even then, if you hold down arc mines you just have to press detonate mines.

How are you using the smoke mines? They have to be cast separately as well and it feels clunky. I found removing phase from cast on hit and using it manually was more than enough speed and replacing the cwdt link with duration.

Maybe I am missing something with the gameplay here, let me know thanks. Before I read your QOL set-up I was basically just running in with flasks up, throw a mine, hit detonate, move on. For rare packs I will just 2 mines instead of one. Bosses I throw all my spires then just hold down mines and spam detonate. Is this correct or wrong?

Is anyone using this in HC? I seeing a lot of grace+decoys being used, I am using decoy myself for now but I am out of gem slots. What about vaal RF? I see it used in the videos then in the pastebin it's not there.

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biscuitpantsguy wrote:

I apologise if this has already been addressed in this thread (the search function on the forum sucks), but is there an ES path for this build? I see other trap builds using LL/ES, but I'd prefer to stay true to this build but go into ES. I love the build for everything else, besides the fact that I'd like to try LL/ES.

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biscuitpantsguy wrote:

I apologise if this has already been addressed in this thread (the search function on the forum sucks), but is there an ES path for this build? I see other trap builds using LL/ES, but I'd prefer to stay true to this build but go into ES. I love the build for everything else, besides the fact that I'd like to try LL/ES.

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Garash wrote:

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biscuitpantsguy wrote:

I apologise if this has already been addressed in this thread (the search function on the forum sucks), but is there an ES path for this build? I see other trap builds using LL/ES, but I'd prefer to stay true to this build but go into ES. I love the build for everything else, besides the fact that I'd like to try LL/ES.

Google Windz gc miner. He has a LL version. Gc scales off of phys dmg so the starting nodes differ I believe. However combining that tree with this guide's tree should be easy

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chochom wrote:

You can definitely go LL with arc mines. You should be able to find a guide on the forum or at least some setups on poeninja. Keeping everything else the same is obviously not an option. You need a completely different tree, jewels, and every gear piece has other priorities, including a specific unique chest, amulet, jewel (and possibly ring, boots).

Overall it is more expensive to get going, but once you are there it can be quite good. From what I have seen, at equal investment, you get a bit less damage (despite pain attunement) and flexibility (like instant life flasks) but better defense against large physical hits due to the higher EHP.

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Perplexities wrote:

This guide does a terrible job of explaining when it comes to which gems to use and where to socket them. While it was easy to follow at first, upon further inspection of his characters, everything that was written in the guide seemed to contradict with the build that he is using himself -at least gem wise. I appreciate the time that he took to write this build, but it is downright confusing.

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1)Is it more optimal to place arc in a 4L helmet with a "Remote mine" support or to simply place arc in a 6L chest piece with lightning spire trap in the 4L? The guide didn't mention arc being placed in the chest piece at all, but after reading a few replies on this thread, it seemed to be that the general consensus was that placing arc in the 6L is better than lightning spire in the 6L. There was even a comment regarding how GC in the helm with hypo and arc in the chest would be more efficient than arc in helm and LST in the chest.

2)If lightning spire is to be placed in the 6L, the guide says to support it with "Lightning Spire Trap - Trap and Mine Damage - Lightning Penetration - Added Lightning - Controlled Destruction - Increased Critical Strikes". Yet in his character, he uses "Lightning Spire Trap - Trap and Mine Damage - Elemental Focus - Added Lightning - Advanced Traps - Lightning Pen". What are the pros and cons of each one? Also, should added cold damage or TnM support be added in the 4L arc helm?

3)Finally, the most frustrating part is figuring out which QoL gems to use. He states in the guide to use "smoke mines, detonate mines, spell totem, and inc duration" yet he doesn't even use smoke mines in any of his chars. He uses bear trap in one of his chars and replies on this thread have been talking about using vaal RF. Other gems have been mentioned too so I am curious about the playstyles of each.

This was in no way to bash the guide writer; it was to simply point out some sections that could use improving on. I would have plugged and chugged each of the gems in PoB, but there have been a few comments stating that the calculations would be incorrect due to shock or something of that sort.