It doesnt matter, cause attack speed is another layer of damage. You increased attack speed, and it will scale with both scenarios (Vicious bite or Vengeful+First)
I just check poedb, Redemption Sentry and Redemption Knight has the same dps, maybe i'll try them later. But nothing can compare to Slave Driver in term of clear. You dont need GMP, you dont need Melee splash, you dont need Pierce, can focus 100% on damage. They have the second best dps (only lose to EVF) and they only use 1 skill!
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How do you feel the Redemption Knights compared to EVF's for single target?
I'd PoB them but they're not on the list and I don't wanna mess around editing files, I'm useless at that kind of stuff.
I swapped from EB/MOM to the spiders & using EVF's, their single target damage is so nice, their slow move speed doesn't bother me much tbh, I can just convocate them where I want them, just a few fights/mobs where their slowness is a lil annoying haha.
**edit** I just realised you had a video showcase on them, they look really nice, I might give them a go once I get a vorici to pop some white sockets on my armour, don't have 3 red atm.
EVF has the highes single target in the game, if you can bear with their movement speed
If you have a str, int or str/int base body armour. You might want to try Redemption Knights instead of Sentry.
They are a fast running melee spectre so they match well with spiders! They also have an aoe attack.
How do you feel the Redemption Knights compared to EVF's for single target?
I'd PoB them but they're not on the list and I don't wanna mess around editing files, I'm useless at that kind of stuff.
I swapped from EB/MOM to the spiders & using EVF's, their single target damage is so nice, their slow move speed doesn't bother me much tbh, I can just convocate them where I want them, just a few fights/mobs where their slowness is a lil annoying haha.
**edit** I just realised you had a video showcase on them, they look really nice, I might give them a go once I get a vorici to pop some white sockets on my armour, don't have 3 red atm.
I'll make another showcase video today or tomorrow. Just did a Sirus A8 with them. I also did Summit with 100% Delirium and Simulacrum, both deathless. Summit was really bad because I rolled sea witches and they kept casting aoe Temp chains :( :( :(
I think RK is about the same as EVF. Maybe EVF takes bigger hits so you see boss hp bar drop by big amounts, but RK has faster attack speed and they move fast so they can chase bosses.
I like them because they has good mapping speed with EB & MoM.
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It doesnt matter, cause attack speed is another layer of damage. You increased attack speed, and it will scale with both scenarios (Vicious bite or Vengeful+First)
I just check poedb, Redemption Sentry and Redemption Knight has the same dps, maybe i'll try them later. But nothing can compare to Slave Driver in term of clear. You dont need GMP, you dont need Melee splash, you dont need Pierce, can focus 100% on damage. They have the second best dps (only lose to EVF) and they only use 1 skill!
Well, I mean aura stacking increases haste + vaal haste more than vicious stacking, so maybe it will close the gap?
SD with PoH is still the most impressive for DPS and clearing. I guess GGG balanced them with the worst life mod (100%). They die so easily and the stupid AI 'flee'. Early Metamorph was impossible because they just run into storms and die.
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Why is all the chatter about Vengeful+First and not Vengegul=Precise? If you have Vicious Bite in your large cluster it provides more damage.
Here is how I have mine:
Large Cluster = Vicious Bite/Renewal
Medium Cluster = Vengeful Commander/Precise Commander
Small Cluster = Surging Vitality
You can even find a Megalomaniac jewel with Vicious Bite and Precise Commander. Of course those are going for 60ex...
**I am observing this with RS Sentries w/3 power charges. Also instead of using Frostbite curse you could switch to Assassins Mark curse to allow Deathmark back in your spectre 6-link. If you get an Awakened Curse on hit, you could still run frostbite, and Assassins Mark.
Last edited by MonkiGW2#1635 on Apr 19, 2020, 3:35:07 PM
If you have a str, int or str/int base body armour. You might want to try Redemption Knights instead of Sentry.
They are a fast running melee spectre so they match well with spiders! They also have an aoe attack.
How do you feel the Redemption Knights compared to EVF's for single target?
I'd PoB them but they're not on the list and I don't wanna mess around editing files, I'm useless at that kind of stuff.
I swapped from EB/MOM to the spiders & using EVF's, their single target damage is so nice, their slow move speed doesn't bother me much tbh, I can just convocate them where I want them, just a few fights/mobs where their slowness is a lil annoying haha.
**edit** I just realised you had a video showcase on them, they look really nice, I might give them a go once I get a vorici to pop some white sockets on my armour, don't have 3 red atm.
I'll make another showcase video today or tomorrow. Just did a Sirus A8 with them. I also did Summit with 100% Delirium and Simulacrum, both deathless. Summit was really bad because I rolled sea witches and they kept casting aoe Temp chains :( :( :(
I think RK is about the same as EVF. Maybe EVF takes bigger hits so you see boss hp bar drop by big amounts, but RK has faster attack speed and they move fast so they can chase bosses.
I like them because they has good mapping speed with EB & MoM.
Yay awesome! I'm really loving trying all these different spectres & the work you put into this is awesome. I was recommended your guide and I'm so happy I came here. Before when I played spectres it was just the usual flame sentinels & umm cannibal fire eaters? can't remember if that's their proper name.
Maybe a mix of Knights and Dinosaurs. The Knights gives some ranged attack with their special and the Dinos slow monsters.
I've been mixing Redemption Knights with Baranite Purge Knights for a while now. The two have similar stats and attacks and are best supported with the same gems. Together they give you chill and shock, making skitterbots unnecessary. This allows a different aura, or an aspect, to be used for extra offense or defense. Together they are a great replacement for the EVFs. (Snow Rhex could probably be substituted for RK.)
Though, it means you'd have to switch to a fire spell for EE/curse on hit.
(for anyone) I was testing Baranite Purge Knight and Redemption Knight, and I can't see they are applying chill or shock. Can you confirm these 2 spectres apply these and I can remove Skitterbot?
I have absolutely no plan ... with almost 40 ex in this build i die like a fly ...
Instantly in every situation ...
the slave driver have basically non existing damage and its impossible to run a T16 map with 2 scarabs
what am i doing wrong?
Well something obvious is you're playing with storm brand which with elemental equilibrium gives massive lightning resists to your targets, so either switch to armageddon brand or get avatar of fire, that alone should nearly double your damage
You don't have enough ES items for the ES nodes to be worth it, i suggest you remake your tree slightly and pick armor nodes instead on the left side of the tree(and pick a high armor shield like lioneye's remorse or the surrender), also bone offering is an insane defensive option.
Your clusters seems pretty underwhelming too, precise commander with controlled destructions is just really low value, i'd suggest either to skip clusters either to get a large with vicious bites/renewal/feasting fiends and 2 sockets for 2 more renewal ones
Also apart from your wand which is really good nothing in your gear is really expensive/optimised, you can definitely scale up your damage with some % minion damage on rings and gloves
Then again storm brand is the biggest thing, you should have no problem whatsoever running non delirium tier 16 maps
