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RobbenklopperCH wrote:
Just curious:

Does the PoH build works with the RS spectres? I mean do they profit from "Spell Echo"?


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RobbenklopperCH wrote:
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RobbenklopperCH wrote:
Just curious:

Does the PoH build works with the RS spectres? I mean do they profit from "Spell Echo"?


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They cast attacks not spells, so I don't think it works.
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RobbenklopperCH wrote:
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RobbenklopperCH wrote:
Just curious:

Does the PoH build works with the RS spectres? I mean do they profit from "Spell Echo"?


*bump*


Unfortunately not.

RS (ranged attack) are only spectre with no repeat cast gem. Spell spectres have spell echo and PoH. Melee attack spectres have multistrike. But GGG has "Supports projectile attack skills that use bows or wands. Cannot support triggered skills, channelled skills, or skills that create Minions." for Barrage Support :(
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Last edited by kayella#0845 on Apr 20, 2020, 11:48:06 AM
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cgbarfu wrote:

I was having trouble clearing wave 20 Simulacrum with RS but after swapping over to RK and using Melee Splash everything just melts in short order - I think it was an issue of damage application on the part of the RS.

My actual question is this: How much benefit are we seeing from stacking the second cluster jewel setup as a trade off for minion passives on the main tree? I'm looking at being able to free up about 20 pts to invest in the second setup and am curious as to the end result. Does anyone with a double cluster jewel setup have a video of wave 20 simulacrum farming so I can compare? Every other encounter in the game is a joke as far as DPS is concerned thus far - Sirus just hops down and phases in a manner of seconds, Uber Elder looks like I took his cookies and the conquerors of the atlas don't even move from their starting positions any more so Im curious at what point the DPS improvements get sidelined for QoL/survivability.

That being said if the evidence is compelling enough I might try to splurge on the 6x megalomaniac jewel setups as an end of league prank so I'm curious what everybody else is doing?

Cheers, Hwa!


I'm glad another person likes RK! I think RK feels better than RS is because it has faster APS and moves very quickly. There is no delay for the DPS. RS has a low APS and projectiles need to travel first. RS main advantage is long range (and pierce), though. But RK isn't too bad with its ranged aoe.

By the way, you might want to try 4x RK + 1x Arena Master. When the AM bangs his shield he gives a 40% attack speed and 40% ms buff to the team. AM does a little less DPS because it is full phys, but boosted RK make up for the loss. And the team runs around the map faster.


1 cluster group and invest in life passives is my recommendation because it's a good balannce of ehp and dps. Especially in delirium. I feel like there are many random big hits that come from nowhere.

If you get 2x cluster groups, you must lose something because it needs about 18 passive points. The damage is almost double, but your ehp becomes so low that you will probably be dead a lot.

Another upgrade option would be 3x medium in a voices cluster. That's what I'm using now because I got a lucky drop.
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Medoo wrote:
Hi, I'm playing the MoM/EB version of the build but my DPS is nowhere near the one in PoB for the build.

PoB gives me around 400k vs almost 2M in Kay's PoB

Can someone please give me some guidelines? Where to upgrade.


I actually recommend a damage wand if you can get Raise Spectre 25 without the wand (RS21 +1 boots +1 amulet +2 ascendancy). Each spectre level only gives 4.5% more damage. But you can buy a temple wand with 65% damage and 5% double damage for 1c.

You need to add quality on all your 6L support gems.

If you want more DPS and feel like you have good survivability, try Flesh Offering.
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H0X9 wrote:
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MonkiGW2 wrote:
Why is all the chatter about Vengeful+First and not Vengegul=Precise? If you have Vicious Bite in your large cluster it provides more damage.


Here is how I have mine:
Large Cluster = Vicious Bite/Renewal
Medium Cluster = Vengeful Commander/Precise Commander
Small Cluster = Surging Vitality

You can even find a Megalomaniac jewel with Vicious Bite and Precise Commander. Of course those are going for 60ex...

**I am observing this with RS Sentries w/3 power charges. Also instead of using Frostbite curse you could switch to Assassins Mark curse to allow Deathmark back in your spectre 6-link. If you get an Awakened Curse on hit, you could still run frostbite, and Assassins Mark.


Haha yeah, Precise commander is better than First among quals, if you stack crit on spectres. But again, it depends on your budget to stack crit or stack aura


Price checking the difference and I do see that First Among Equals and Vengeful Commander are about 40 chaos and the Precise Commander/Vengeful Commander are about 2 exalts. I didn't realize that the gap in price was this large.

Speaking of pricy, I just picked up this:


I know it isn't for everyone but I am having fun trying to min/max as much as I can.
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kayella wrote:
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Medoo wrote:
Hi, I'm playing the MoM/EB version of the build but my DPS is nowhere near the one in PoB for the build.

PoB gives me around 400k vs almost 2M in Kay's PoB

Can someone please give me some guidelines? Where to upgrade.


I actually recommend a damage wand if you can get Raise Spectre 25 without the wand (RS21 +1 boots +1 amulet +2 ascendancy). Each spectre level only gives 4.5% more damage. But you can buy a temple wand with 65% damage and 5% double damage for 1c.

You need to add quality on all your 6L support gems.

If you want more DPS and feel like you have good survivability, try Flesh Offering.


I could do this if I switch amulet. Do you recommend fossils crafting a +1 amulet or just buying? You've got a few crafting recommendations in your guide but saw the amulet is also fairly pricey for good rolls.
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kayella wrote:
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RobbenklopperCH wrote:
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RobbenklopperCH wrote:
Just curious:

Does the PoH build works with the RS spectres? I mean do they profit from "Spell Echo"?


*bump*


Unfortunately not.

RS (ranged attack) are only spectre with no repeat cast gem. Spell spectres have spell echo and PoH. Melee attack spectres have multistrike. But GGG has "Supports projectile attack skills that use bows or wands. Cannot support triggered skills, channelled skills, or skills that create Minions." for Barrage Support :(


damn, thx for the information :)

Think I will try your idea (4x RK + 1x AM). Do you have an overview (gems, items, PoB) for that kind of build?


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nvm, found your video, thanks!
Last edited by RobbenklopperCH#1598 on Apr 20, 2020, 2:07:59 PM
Gotta say 4 Redemption Knights + 1 Arena master are really fun to play around with them (though I'm the biggest fan of knight-ish, they look cool as hell ngl)
Last edited by Shinseii#6564 on Apr 20, 2020, 2:49:50 PM
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QuantomO wrote:
Whats the consensus on SD vs RS for mapping?

I'm using EB and MoM build too, is it worth switching to pledge of hands build for more damage?

Kinda hard to work out where to go from here with my build, happy to invest more currency in it but not sure where to go from here (except reach level 90ish)...


It really is personal choice.

SD + PoH is also more aoe coverage and better map clearing. But SDs have low HP, so you need to use convocation and keep them out of serious danger. The main benefit of SD + PoH is you just give them all damage supports. The spell isnstantly hits everything in its aoe range too.

RS are like Solar Guards. They needs LMP/GMP for mapping. Pierce is also highly recommended. But that reduced damage, so you might need to gem swap for bosses. There's also a delay on their damage because it's a projectile and they have slow attack speed.
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