What are people most interested in?
" You LLDERS made the same mistake 5 years ago, pushing for LLD first and balance hld later. Did it work? You guys seen LLD grow during 1.3 when PVP was more balanced? You guys even had fucking prizes and tournaments, you had streaming with greendude comments and what s not. Did it work? You got your chance to prove LLD was attractive and it was not when all was done to promote pvp LLD. " See, this guy I can understand because he make sense. He know HLD is more attractive and is not trying to push LLD agenda who failed miserably 5 years ago. Yet he understand LLD could potentially be a starting point. But for god sakes stop with the LLD is better let s deal with HLD later. IT will never happen none enjoy it like back in 2013-2014 they will not even want to deal with HLD if it fail again. But why no middle ground? when in 2013-2014 they pushed for pvp they did only so with LLD. What is the problem doing both HLD and LLD? PT could create a tournament LLD first week and HLD second week. Everyone would have what they want. For the rules of HLD, make Melee only tournament first or something like that and ban legacy aegis/kaom. Not CWTD setups-spells-traps to avoid troll tank coming with melee weapons. Then make the same with a ranged centric tournament? I don t know but FFS stop thinking LLD is the only savior of pvp it will fail again. I don t mind trying LLD temp with restrictive rules btw, I just don t get why should we focus on LLD first and not try both at same time. " This Poe Pvp experience https://youtu.be/Z6eg3aB_V1g?t=302 Last edited by Head_Less#6633 on Apr 26, 2018, 2:28:39 AM
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Yea nice you just proved you have no idea how the 2 LLD seasons went. With all due respect to GreenDude, that guy did a lot for the LLD scene but he cannot balance for shit since it was proven he had no idea how the top builds worked at the time.
GGG FUCKING FAILED AT BALANCING. Let me give you an idea how HLD would be balanced if it had a season back then. AoE overlap would be untouched, while caustic arrow would've been dumpstered. Confused? Take a fucking look at the threads that were posted around the LLD season. Noobs complaining about balanced things like flicker strike while shit like cyclone and puncture traps went untouched in season 1. Season 2 had firestorm builds fucking everywhere, yet GGG's chosen PvP spokesperson GreenDude failed to understand the core concept of what made firestorm op, his own version was garbage. Surprise surprise GGG didn't listen again and nerfed Tornado Shot of all things... The season failed NOT because it was LLD. The season failed because GGG suck at responding to our feedback and suck at fucking balancing the game. They said LLD and HLD can be balanced seperately? Fuck they just did numerical changes across the board. No mechanical changes, no seperated LLD and HLD changes, just fucking flat 10-20% damage nerfs. Take a look at why people thought the LLD season sucked balls. You had to spend ATLEAST 10 ex or get one shot by builds that went untouched by GGG balance team, and now you think HLD will succeed more than LLD where the fucking core idea of current HLD builds is "one shot the enemy before they one shot you"? I get you want to flaunt your standard HLD, but if you honestly think it'll succeed where LLD failed, you're delusional. Last edited by A222#5299 on Apr 26, 2018, 1:17:38 AM
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" Who s agenda is pushed there? Why is that ok to give LLD 4l no enchant wha t s not but trying restrictive rules on HLD is not an option? Seems just an excuse to avoid bothering with HLD and trying again the good ol LLD. Ho I agree greendude knew shit, but you guys at least had greendude to bother GGG with the nerd obscure LLD. You guys (I mean him greendude) convinced GGG to deal with LLD first. Yea we seen the result. want to do the same mistake? then don t complain why pvp is not a success when you guys keep pushing it and not try at the same time mainstream HLD. What you guys have to loose trying both? IF HLD suck even with restrictive rules people will tell it and proclaim the superiority of LLD. Actually if restricted HLD is so bad giving it a spotlight will emphasis LLD better gameplay right? So why not both? I would not mind trying LLD first to be honest if we had assurance hLD will be done along the line. You will try LLD even if it fail for years and then claim pvp is dead in poe and all was done to push it. What about HLD? Fuck who care LLD failed so PVP failed. Poe Pvp experience https://youtu.be/Z6eg3aB_V1g?t=302 Last edited by Head_Less#6633 on Apr 26, 2018, 2:01:52 AM
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Not sure why PT suggested this type of discussion, it was bound to just pit the forum against each other and while we throw sticks and stones at each other, PvE goes on.
"At this point let's just try something, we try it, if it works great, if it fails try the next thing" is what I'd like to say, but I don't think we're ready for that yet. Seems like we need to forum PvP for another few years first |
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For what it's worth, If PT goes back to doing his events and includes HLD in it, I will 100% participate no matter the league or the rules. I don't mean to antagonize you Head_Less and if I did I'm sorry. I'm simply echoing what you would expect to hear from the general populace. HLD is factually less popular than compared to LLD when you ask the average PvE player, regardless if that's true or not.
Getting more people on board with PvP is the endgame here. I still believe LLD is the better tool for that. The best thing to do now I suppose if you want to get HLD beginner friendly is to think of a good ruleset for HLD that will let people try it out without massive time + currency investment. | |
" It s all good , Heated discussion for something we like. Nothing personal more than conflicting opinions. Forum pvp is not about hate but more about passion XD.We are all 1980-1990 players, we won t grudge someone for heated discussion. Ultimately This is PT stream, PT organization and PT ideas. Whatever he decide we will try to help if we can even if it is LLD. Poe Pvp experience https://youtu.be/Z6eg3aB_V1g?t=302 Last edited by Head_Less#6633 on Apr 26, 2018, 3:06:11 AM
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I'm pretty amazed at the results of the strawpoll.
Currently we're sitting at: 25 HLD Perm 7 LLD Perm 6 LLD Temp 4 HLD Temp That's 42 People willing to PVP. Imagine what we could do if we all just got along! Maybe there should have been the option: "I don't care about LLD vs HLD or Perm vs Temp, I just want to PVP" I'd have voted for that.. Last edited by Monstacookie#3096 on Apr 26, 2018, 3:07:49 AM
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" wait, what? i'm not doing some stupid streamer bullshit. i hate everything about streamer culture. [Removed by Support]
"Your forum signature was removed as it was considered to be inappropriate and a breach of our Code of Conduct." ...it was quotes. from the forum. lolz! |
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" I probably would have also voted for that if it had been an option. I'm definitely open to the idea of playing high level PvP again so long as everyone can come to terms with a rule-set everyone can agree on. If PT runs events like he has in the past I think it would be a very good idea to run a week or so of low level, then a week of high level. See what works and what doesn't. |
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" That's a little unfair, the questions brought up about pvp can be answered and in some alternate universe they may have even led to proper discourse and actual solutions being found. The fact it turned into what we have is more a comment on us then the line of questioning. "That's nice cupcake" ~ Rlowe, 1984 - RIP in pieces, least we 4get
"""Everyone is an asshole and I'm awesome" ~ Mygalomorphae, 2016" ~ philophil, 2016" ~ Mygalomorphae, 2016 "Fuck." ~ Rlowe, 2017 "...post-ironic thread..." ~ Rlowe, 2017 |
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