[3.5] The Blinding Blizzard - Whispering Ice CI Elequisitor - Viable For Everything

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Zephryl wrote:

Speaking of the Uber Corruption, is there any particularly interesting combos to influence this build? Asides from both Quality and Level on Gems, of course.

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Nephitis wrote:

edit 2: actually no, wouldn't pure elementalist be better? I'm loving the build so far!

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ichbinwerichbi wrote:

Hi folks

I play std in the meantime between the two leages and have two nice items crafted in this leage. Would it be better crafting + all attributes or energie shield.

atm i have 10 k energie shield and 12,5 k dmg in hideout.

the ring is

is there a safe chance to get the prefix removed. with orb of anulment i killed 2 really good items this leage so i wont try it again :-)
What happend if i use the remove prefix and add suffix if there cant add a suffix. is then the prefix gone or not ?

and then i have the 2 amulets

should i craft aspect of the spider on the sec one or is it better on the ring ?

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Kelvynn wrote:

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Zephryl wrote:

Speaking of the Uber Corruption, is there any particularly interesting combos to influence this build? Asides from both Quality and Level on Gems, of course.

+level on the staff would be already crazy, but I remember seeing something about reduced elemental damage taken on armor too. We don't know the full list of those new corrupted mods yet, but if anything there lets you facetank the Shaper's ball barrage (i.e. facetank the Uber Elder fight) - that would be massive.

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Black_Gun wrote:

what about using incandecent heart? it has ok-ish 320 es, and when using perandus signets, the int loss compared with a normal rare will be minor.

the key selling point of IH is that you take 25% of elemental damage from hits as chaos, i.e. not at all as a CI char.

the shaper balls have 25% cold pen. Assuming a lvl 23 purity of ice and a sapphire flask, we are at 86% cold res, which turns into 61% due to the cold pen on the balls.

according to the wiki page:
https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Incandescent_Heart

the effect of IH on a CI char with 60% res is equivalent to gaining 10% additional max res. so virtually, we would be at 70% cold res against the shaper balls. according to poedb, the shaper balls deal 6500*2("200% damage") cold damage, so thats an average of 13k cold damage. with 70% effective resists against it, plus fortify, a shaper ball will deal 13000*0.3*0.8 = 3120 damage. with 10k ES and 4k ES/s leeched, we should be able to survive a volley of 3 balls. without IH, the 0.3 in the calculation above would be replaced by 0.4, and each shaper ball would deal 4160 damage - eating 3 of those in quick succession is too much.

so with IH and superb gear in all other slots, it might become feasible to barely tank the shaper balls. I'm not sure, however, how often our target would become immune while we're eating shaper balls at the same moment.

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Kelvynn wrote:

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Black_Gun wrote:

what about using incandecent heart? it has ok-ish 320 es, and when using perandus signets, the int loss compared with a normal rare will be minor.

the key selling point of IH is that you take 25% of elemental damage from hits as chaos, i.e. not at all as a CI char.

the shaper balls have 25% cold pen. Assuming a lvl 23 purity of ice and a sapphire flask, we are at 86% cold res, which turns into 61% due to the cold pen on the balls.

according to the wiki page:
https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Incandescent_Heart

the effect of IH on a CI char with 60% res is equivalent to gaining 10% additional max res. so virtually, we would be at 70% cold res against the shaper balls. according to poedb, the shaper balls deal 6500*2("200% damage") cold damage, so thats an average of 13k cold damage. with 70% effective resists against it, plus fortify, a shaper ball will deal 13000*0.3*0.8 = 3120 damage. with 10k ES and 4k ES/s leeched, we should be able to survive a volley of 3 balls. without IH, the 0.3 in the calculation above would be replaced by 0.4, and each shaper ball would deal 4160 damage - eating 3 of those in quick succession is too much.

so with IH and superb gear in all other slots, it might become feasible to barely tank the shaper balls. I'm not sure, however, how often our target would become immune while we're eating shaper balls at the same moment.

I tried IH, actually was using it on my no-VP Inquisitor version when the nerf to VP was announced. But the 25% resist pen on Shaper barrage is too much, and IH loses you a whole lot of ES, you can't have 10k with it. Also, there is no way to keep Fortify up in that fight because the Shaper teleports quickly when you get near him. If I could stay near him (like in his own fight) this whole thing would be trivial. The net effect of IH is that you take less damage but you are too squishy to tank even that reduced damage. And if you get to the final stage, Elder's Tentacles can 1-shot you, they are phys dmg.

In fact, I've had more luck trying to tank Shaper's barrage by keeping him perma-Blinded. But you can't keep him blinded when he's invulnerable.