ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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kolyaboo wrote:

There's more salt in here than a Morton factory. LOL

Never deny a never-Trumper his dreams. Only Sodium Chloride will result. =^[.]^=

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Kellog wrote:

House Armed Services chair rejects Pentagon bid to shift $1B toward border wall

The Pentagon has already said they'd move forward with the funding and it isn't clear that the House Armed Services has the power to do anything about it.

It's in the third paragraph, in case you forgot to read the article.

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In Syria. This means nothing in the grand scheme of things

So, we should have left ISIS there to kill thousands of people because it doesn't matter according to you in the grand scheme of things? Yeah, what?

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The Right-wind obcession with AOC continues.

If AOC wasn't always touted as a leading democratic figure by several left-leaning news outlets I'm pretty sure nobody would care. The only difference now is we can can add corrupt and stupid to the list whenever someone mentions her.

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I guess a lot of people will lose their healthcare. Good luck with that.

I guess you aren't affected by ACA, otherwise you'd know how retarded it is was for a lot of people.

Honestly, it sucks that people will lose their healthcare, but I'm willing to bet the amount of fucks given is a lot lower when you are asking them to pay for it.

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A Greenland glacier is growing. That's not good news

The point was that climate science isn't a precise thing.

Yeah, climate change is happening, but how about we get some models that aren't horseshit five years from now, before going to the doom and gloom predictions on the future. Even the Al Gore's stuff is way off the mark if you compare it to estimates today.

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RPGlitch wrote:

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Kellog wrote:

House Armed Services chair rejects Pentagon bid to shift $1B toward border wall

The Pentagon has already said they'd move forward with the funding and it isn't clear that the House Armed Services has the power to do anything about it.

It's in the third paragraph, in case you forgot to read the article.

The point was to show that it's not a done deal.

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So, we should have left ISIS there to kill thousands of people because it doesn't matter according to you in the grand scheme of things? Yeah, what?

You're reaching with this. The point is, there are plenty of other areas around the world where ISIS or the ideology behind ISIS is flourishing. Just because the Caliphate is gone, for now, doesn't mean they've been stopped.

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If AOC wasn't always touted as a leading democratic figure by several left-leaning news outlets I'm pretty sure nobody would care. The only difference now is we can can add corrupt and stupid to the list whenever someone mentions her.

This is garbage. The right has taken exception to the new generation of young female Congressional intakes from the beginning. They even thought an old video of AOC enjoying herself was something demonic.

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I guess you aren't affected by ACA, otherwise you'd know how retarded it is was for a lot of people.

Honestly, it sucks that people will lose their healthcare, but I'm willing to bet the amount of fucks given is a lot lower when you are asking them to pay for it.

Fine, get rid of it. Out of interest, what's going to replace it? What are those without healthcare going to do whilst some sort or replacement is found? Remember. the repeal and replace was a complete fiasco when the right held all three branches.

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The point was that climate science isn't a precise thing.

Yeah, climate change is happening, but how about we get some models that aren't horseshit five years from now, before going to the doom and gloom predictions on the future. Even the Al Gore's stuff is way off the mark if you compare it to estimates today.

It's not a precise science but there is significant evidence climate change is happening and not for the best. Moreover, continuing to promote fossil fuels and mocking green alternatives it isn't helping.

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Kellog wrote:

The point was to show that it's not a done deal.

Except, he got his funding. There's literally nothing stopping the Pentagon from giving it to him, especially when they said they'd give it to him.

You linked an article, that misleadingly suggested the House Armed Services could do something about it, when they really don't have the power to do so.

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You're reaching with this. The point is, there are plenty of other areas around the world where ISIS or the ideology behind ISIS is flourishing. Just because the Caliphate is gone, for now, doesn't mean they've been stopped.

Sure, they haven't been stopped. But you claimed it meant 'nothing' in the grand scheme of things. It definitely did something. ISIS not having national territory is something.

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This is garbage. The right has taken exception to the new generation of young female Congressional intakes from the beginning. They even thought an old video of AOC enjoying herself was something demonic.

Honestly, I just had a good laugh on it. And I don't think I remember seeing any conservative news articles nor reporters on it being demonic.

From what I remember about the story, it was a single person on twitter who was complaining about it and it gone blown way out of proportion.

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Fine, get rid of it. Out of interest, what's going to replace it?

Probably, a mixture of what we had before of private and publicly owned health insurance. Pretty, shit to be honest, but that's what you get when you have conflicting interest all over the place in Congress.

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What are those without healthcare going to do whilst some sort or replacement is found?

They'd get transitioned out. When new laws like this are passed, there is a grace period where you try to move people to the new system, in this case they'd have to pay for their own insurance instead of relying on Obamacare. This was the same when Obamacare came in and it'll be the same after getting rid of it.

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Remember. the repeal and replace was a complete fiasco when the right held all three branches.

There is a host of reasons why the changes failed, but honestly who the fuck knows, besides the Republicans waiting till now to vote on it.

At this point, the main attempt to get rid of it would be to take it to the Supreme Court, again because Trump removed the individual mandate part of Obamacare as a part of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act in 2017.

For someone, a lot of people thought was a retarded, Trump definitely got rid of the main thing keeping Obamacare constitutional.

So, we'll have to go through the Supreme Court, again and get another decision.

And for people who don't keep up with the news.

Originally, Obamacare was rendered constitutional in 2012 was because of the individual mandate, which according to the courts was treated as a 'tax', and thus fell under Congressional Powers of 'taxation'.

Now, I think that was absolute bullshit because the individual mandate was really a fine you paid when you failed to get insurance, but whatever. According to the Supreme Court it was a fucking tax. And since it was a tax, Congress could pass Obamacare.

Whether or not Obamacare survives the Supreme Court now, is debatable, but with no punishment. It's already pretty much been dead since 2017. People have to still pay fines if they don't have insurance till 2019 as a part of the provision, but after that everyone can pretty much ignore Obamacare and do whatever they want.

It's stupid to argue about it. It's why getting it replaced should have been done earlier, it's just bouncing the problem to a later administration.

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It's not a precise science but there is significant evidence climate change is happening and not for the best. Moreover, continuing to promote fossil fuels and mocking green alternatives it isn't helping.

Mocking climate change definitely isn't helping, but people should still have a healthy amount of skepticism to the projections when they are wildly inaccurate.

The solutions aren't as clear cut as cutting all fossil fuels and hoping for the best. I mean was I the only one who thought it was ironic that China out of all countries signed the Paris Agreement, despite continuing to fail to meet their own standards of air quality.

It's almost like all agreements and treaties they signed didn't mean shit.

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Kellog wrote:

Fine, get rid of it. Out of interest, what's going to replace it? What are those without healthcare going to do whilst some sort or replacement is found? Remember. the repeal and replace was a complete fiasco when the right held all three branches.

There wouldn't be a replacement healthcare. Trump doesn't care about people's healthcare. He just wants to lower taxes more for the top 1%. He will just blame congress for not passing a replacement and just ignore the fact that a big piece of law like that is typically first drafted in the White House. He doesn't care about saying good bye to protecting people with preexisting conditions, kids being on parents healthcare until age 26, being a women is not a preexisting condition, and 21 million people losing their healthcare. He also doesn't care that it will likely cause Republicans problems at the polls in 2020. The important advantages of getting rid of the ACA is that it is another big tax break for him and he can destroy the first black President's main legacy.

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Kellog wrote:

Fine, get rid of it. Out of interest, what's going to replace it? What are those without healthcare going to do whilst some sort or replacement is found? Remember. the repeal and replace was a complete fiasco when the right held all three branches.

There wouldn't be a replacement healthcare. Trump doesn't care about people's healthcare. He just wants to lower taxes more for the top 1%. He will just blame congress for not passing a replacement and just ignore the fact that a big piece of law like that is typically first drafted in the White House. He doesn't care about saying good bye to protecting people with preexisting conditions, kids being on parents healthcare until age 26, being a women is not a preexisting condition, and 21 million people losing their healthcare. He also doesn't care that it will likely cause Republicans problems at the polls in 2020. The important advantages of getting rid of the ACA is that it is another big tax break for him and he can destroy the first black President's main legacy.

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RPGlitch wrote:

Except, he got his funding. There's literally nothing stopping the Pentagon from giving it to him, especially when they said they'd give it to him.

You linked an article, that misleadingly suggested the House Armed Services could do something about it, when they really don't have the power to do so.

You are right, Shanahan has basically ignored congress to build some fence, put up lights and fix some roads. I doubt Congress will look very favourably upon this when considering the budget for 2020.

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Sure, they haven't been stopped. But you claimed it meant 'nothing' in the grand scheme of things. It definitely did something. ISIS not having national territory is something.

In reality, all that's been removed is the land they held. Those who still follow the ideology have already changed their tactics and they're still in Syria. It's certainly a good victory but much much more needs to be done.

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Turtledove wrote:

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Kellog wrote:

Fine, get rid of it. Out of interest, what's going to replace it? What are those without healthcare going to do whilst some sort or replacement is found? Remember. the repeal and replace was a complete fiasco when the right held all three branches.

There wouldn't be a replacement healthcare. Trump doesn't care about people's healthcare. He just wants to lower taxes more for the top 1%. He will just blame congress for not passing a replacement and just ignore the fact that a big piece of law like that is typically first drafted in the White House. He doesn't care about saying good bye to protecting people with preexisting conditions, kids being on parents healthcare until age 26, being a women is not a preexisting condition, and 21 million people losing their healthcare. He also doesn't care that it will likely cause Republicans problems at the polls in 2020. The important advantages of getting rid of the ACA is that it is another big tax break for him and he can destroy the first black President's main legacy.

Republicans couldn't agree on a replacement when they had full control and most of them are shitting themselves about this because all they see their seats going by by in 2020.

Of the many Millions covered under ACA there are a huge number with pre-existing conditions and remember, Trump promised he would protect those with pre-existing conditions. Not much of a promise was it. Fake news really.

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Kellog wrote:

The right has taken exception to the new generation of young female Congressional intakes from the beginning. They even thought an old video of AOC enjoying herself was something demonic.

Nobody took offense to the gender or age of the new congresspeople, only their dumb ideas. And really nobody gave a shit about some old video; that was 100% manufactured grade A fake news.

The funny parts about Avenatti's arrest and AOC's troubles is because they both were given so much free media to blather about "justice" and "taxes" respectively, and they're both being hoisted on their own petards.

... And then Omar is just an outright antisemite, and there is no defense for it.

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Kellog wrote:

I guess a lot of people will lose their healthcare. Good luck with that.

Healthcare isn't a right, and forcing people by law to purchase a privatized good, fining them when they don't, is absurdly unconstitutional.

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Kellog wrote:

In reality, all that's been removed is the land [ISIS] held. Those who still follow the ideology have already changed their tactics and they're still in Syria. It's certainly a good victory but much much more needs to be done.

I would love to hear your suggestions on what kinds of things could be done.

Trump's ISIS/Syria policy has been to quickly regain control of ISIS-owned territory, release it back to Syria, and then gtfo. The only part that hasn't gone according to plan is when the democrats and republican warhawks forced him to stay in Syria.

In what way would your suggested Syria/ISIS policy differ, if any?

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Kellog wrote:

Of the 52 Million people covered under ACA there are a huge number with pre-existing conditions and remember, Trump promised he would protect those with pre-existing conditions. Not much of a promise was it. Fake news really.

From a casual google search: "In the fourth quarter of 2017, 9.8 million people, or 3.6 percent, under 65 were enrolled in exchange plans."

Where in the world are you seeing 52 million? That's off by a factor of 5.

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pneuma wrote:

And then Omar is just an outright antisemite, and there is no defense for it.

But quoting Hitler on the floor is ok...

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Healthcare isn't a right, and forcing people by law to purchase a privatized good, fining them when they don't, is absurdly unconstitutional.

Got it. You don't care if Americans suffer or die.

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In what way would your suggested Syria/ISIS policy differ, if any?

You people seem to have a weird attitude about this. You're out there dancing in the streets because some land has been reclaimed and a battle won. No one said it wasn't a good victory but it has in no way defeated the ideology or ISIS. As far as policy, I have no idea but I do know that the fight has to continue wherever it must.

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Where in the world are you seeing 52 million? That's off by a factor of 5.

It depends on which numbers you look at. According to familiesusa

Repeal of the ACA threatens against the 133 million people with pre-existing conditions.

Repeal of the ACA threatens the access to preventive care of nearly 138 million people with private health coverage (including nearly 29 million children) and 55 million seniors on Medicare.

A lot of the numbers are just for enrolment for a particular time-frame.

I changed my number to many millions because it's ambiguous.