ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP
" Good point, it shouldn't be considered a human right to think that one can go into one's embassy and be safe. I have no idea what came over me? One should expect to be murdered and cut into pieces when you go into a government building! You've really hit on a great improvement to our society. What a kind and empathetic soul you are. No wonder you're a Big fan of Trump. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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" It shouldn't be considered a human right, because it is not. It's a treaty between nations that any one nation can break if they so desire and which happens all the time in corrupt country's and within nations at war. That's not to say human life shouldn't be valued but don't project that human life is valued equally all over the world. It's not. Not to mention his post was clearly not aimed at that given he didn't respond to that part. Good finishing touch with the sarcasm and bulls-eye painting, seems to me both pro and anti trump supporters all fail at basics of communication. and maybe i just fail across the board without being pro or anti. Peace, -Boem- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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" You like laws regulating anti-social behaviour ... and offensive language. You are not a liberal you are authoritarian. You just don't know it yet. Trump is the liberal, he don't like rules. |
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" Sorry Boem, in your zeal to try to be fair, you have said something so stupid, it is almost unbelievable. Life is a basic human right in most all places. It is a human right where I live, the USA. It is most likely recognized as such by the country you live in as well as the United Nations. Here's some but not all Human rights as defined by the UN. " https://www.youthforhumanrights.org/what-are-human-rights/universal-declaration-of-human-rights/articles-1-15.html Fuck the UN? What does the USA constitution say? " Trump is a silly President that does not seem to believe in such rights, not unless you're the leader of a country or very rich. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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" The whole reason they didn't vote for him was because they didn't want him. What's he supposed to say or do? It's like I said to people during the campaign, it's going to be close, and that's not a good thing for the country. You have it split nearly down the middle between 2 awful people, plus the actual majority of nonvoters. Hell, someone opposite you would likely make the same point if Hillary won, that she's not doing anything to have better relations with Trump voters, and she likely would never be able to build trust among them or any sensible person after that whole Bernie scandal. So I don't think he ever stood a chance due to this generation's chosen flavor of 'bad male,' in addition to his actual character flaws. MSNBC, most watched "news" station in the world, puts everything he does in a negative light, even if other presidents have done the same. He can't defeat that. No matter how he may act or what he says, enough people think the news is always objective truth, especially when it's tickling their sore loser disposition. " At least you acknowledge that all it ever is is lip service, but it seems that people are more quick to call it that when Trump does it, like the speech he made after that synagogue was shot up. |
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" I didn't say anything stupid and i am not "zealous" just stating the obvious. First of all the UN treaty is again that, a treaty. Which means it is a right until a nation decides its no longer a right.(infringes upon the treaty for which it can be penalized usually in the form of monetary contribution and jail-time for involved party's) A corrupt nation or a nation at war does not subscribe to this treaty which means it is up to the UN to discipline globally if it sees fit to do so. Reality check, it doesn't see fit to do so in most cases. The UN has a pretty solid history of watching at the side-lines when it comes to waring nations and infringement on the charter of basic human rights. And when it get's involved it is heavily moderated due to it's nature.(the amount of nations involved and required to agree to act) It usually ends up leting the infringing party carry out it's plan until somebody takes them down(non UN) and then puts them in front of a court after the infringements already occured on a mass scale and when the capturing nation is done.(so usually a conviction on-top of an already live long sentence "for show" one could say) The UN is fine for natural disasters and aid missions for which nations can easily agree to step-up together, but it's near impotent when it comes to actual war zones. It usually ends up just sending out troops to defend key positions and maybe do some fly-overs. You either don't understand my point or have no clue about actual war/war zones and geo-politics to think a signed treaty from the united nations imply's all human life is protected by right. The fact it's called "the united nations" and not "the global nations" should be your first clue that it's not a global right. Disregarding the fact on how they proceed with infringements on their charter. Peace, -Boem- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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For an aspiring voice of reason, you're not doing so well, Boem. You've already descended into the pit of this metaphorical (your own metaphor, I might point out) monkey house to preach to the lower primates. Sadly, you fail to recognize the fact that the inmates might not take too well to being preached at, and certainly not by someone who assumes a superior moral and philosophical position.
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" using past history as a basis for an argument isn't preaching neither is it poo-flinging. I'm highlighting why i don't consider it a "basic human right" tl;dr it's not a global right extended to every single human on this planet and it is not absolute but derived by concensus between nations to act upon that statement as if it where true. Which nations have already broken in the past and been sanctioned for(demonstrating it is a fragile truth) It being fragile doesn't imply we should not strive to keep and uphold it. But on a geo-political level the UN is pretty bad at enforcing it which doesn't really strike fear in the people most willing to break those rights. I'm from Belgium, find it odd but i am sort of familiar with the UN and how it operates on a global scale. And our history sort of highlights why we like global powers to play ball with one another and not spiral of in ideological lunacy. We didn't quite apreciate the last knuckle fight that came out of that ethic. Consider this more preaching and poo-flinging if that makes your day sir. Peace, -Boem- edit : maybe you think saying "either you dont understand my point or you are cluelles about war/war zones and geo-politics" is an insult/poo-flinging when in fact most people are cluelles about those things and it's not really "shamefull" in any way or a misunderstanding happened. Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes Last edited by Boem on Mar 20, 2019, 11:58:30 PM
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" War zones are completely irrelevant to this discussion. The victim was not killed in a war zone. He was murdered in an embassy in Turkey. You seem to be making the irrelevant argument that sometimes our human rights are violated. That is an irrelevant argument. You have made an outlandish claim without anything to back it up. I made the sane claim that right to life was a right in almost the whole world. I proved that it was in fact the case in the UN and the USA. It also is a human right in Turkey. According to the Turkey Consitition " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Turkey It is a human right in Saudi Arabia as well although it is more frequently violated there than in Turkey or many other parts of the world. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired! Last edited by Turtledove on Mar 21, 2019, 12:17:26 AM
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" " Small historical time-line, you can go back to 1930+- where stability in the country goes in decline. And now they have erdogan which isn't exactly known for his strong principles and questions still haven't been answered about his election or the validity of it. Turkey isn't hardly as stable a country as you make it out to be and violations of the human rights charter have been continuesly ongoing for the past 40+ years in off and on successions. I have turkish friends who still have parents living over there and 2016 was brutal even for the more succesfull "toerist" locations in turkey.(which are generally saved from internal conflict) Up to a point where flight restrictions where enacted in the EU for visitors to turkey. It being written down or actually being enacted and enforced are two entirely different things. I think i will stick with my claime that you aren't aware of geo-politics. Give this a read if you want a broad stroke insight in the current leader of turkey and if you think he's the kind of guy going all "pro human rights charter enactment". If your interested as to why the EU is interested in "talking" with such a leader, i can go deeper into that. But it won't make the story any more pleasant. Peace, -Boem- edit : on a side note, let this one run true your mind. When the coup in 2016 took place, 3500 people of the juridicial system in turkey where arrested and imprisoned. This is relevant because they where arrested merely 2 hours after the coup started and nation-wide. Obviously, most where opposition of the current leader erdogan. But you can probably look up these things if your interested and decide for yourself. Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes Last edited by Boem on Mar 21, 2019, 12:56:21 AM
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