ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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鬼殺し wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Trump isn't new in terms of playing such propaganda games. He's simply very good at it — good enough to directly take on the reigning champions, the mainstream media, and NOT get KO'd in Round One.

He's 'good' at it because he either realised or stumbled into a truth that the so-called Mainstream Media couldn't grasp, because it's comprised of relatively well-educated people: A lot of Americans are fucking stupid. You gotta talk dumb to get through to them, and Trump is the King of Talking Dumb.

What you see as genius, I see as simply square peg, square hole. He is the man of the moment because the moment is the result of years of America getting progressively more and more stupid and complacent and ripe for wholesale exploitation and manipulation.

The funny thing is that I don't disagree with your second paragraph here. I do, however, disagree with your first — mainstream left-wing messaging has encouraged the stupidity, and deliberately enough. The very essence of political correctness is a suppression of critical thinking and "ripening" for propaganda, and although the Right used to be the politically correct side, decades ago, the Left embraced it in recent years.

And I'm not saying there isn't a form of political correctness on the Trump side, because there is. Much less extreme but still present and ominous in every utterance of "libtard." The center is so eroded that everyone assumes you're either a Never Trump or an Always Trump. The concept of Sometimes Trump is increasingly alien.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

Obviously you did, fuckwit.

I remember Trump saying Mexico would pay for the wall directly. I also remember him backpedaling on that and saying Mexico might pay for it indirectly after the primary, especially as President-Elect when he was trying to moderate his tone. I can definitely see how confirmation bias would influence how people remember Trump's 2016 positions — Democrats would be inclined to remember the more outrageous version, while Republicans might prefer to believe the new, calmer Trump was the only one.

But I remember what actually happened.

Oh shut up dude. Seriously. There's no defending this one.

I missed the part where I'm defending it. He's trying to act like he never said things he partially retracted two years ago. That's the type of lie that works on Trump supporters with an memory span of two years or less, which is: almost all of them. But not quite.

See what I mean? You can't even wrap your mind around the idea of Sometimes Trump.

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鬼殺し wrote:

We have one trying to justify the lies, another saying he just plain doesn't care that the US president lies to him, daily.

To clarify, saying "propaganda is justified to combat propaganda" (a fair synopsis of my earlier post) is much like saying "it's justified to use a firearm to defend yourself against attackers using firearms." I get the whole escalation of force thing, but it would be better if both sides became more civil, direct and honest. I just don't view that as unilaterally the responsibility of either side; it would have to be a joint effort.

So I don't mean to give the impression that I am justifying propaganda or that I don't care about how pervasive it has become. I just think it's hypocritical for a partisan to pretend it's only the other side that engages in propaganda, and that it's naive for a moralist to act as if one side suddenly ceasing will prompt the other side to respond in kind, as opposed to exploiting the vulnerability. Indeed, Trump is himself the organic No More Mister Nice Guy response of the Republican political organism to pervasive socialist institutional creep.

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faerwin wrote:

The american mentality is to never admit you were wrong, no matter what. They see that as strength when in reality, it's a weakness, and a freaking huge one at that.

If I refuse to admit that to myself, that is indeed a massive weakness. But I gain nothing from revealing such information to those who have clearly indicated they have no intention of dealing with me in good faith. It's kind of like love. Yes, if I have no love for anyone else, that's a deep problem with me, but you have no right to see that love, and the presumption that an enemy would claim I have an obligation to violate my own privacy in such a way borders on insufferable.

When I fuck up, I owe myself an apology. I don't owe you shit.

How can you have an honest discussion if you and the other person you are talking with never admit to be wrong?

How can you lead anything if you can't admit you are wrong (either verbally or by changing your plan accordingly)?


The truth is that if you are unable to admit you are wrong, you are just gonna be heading straight into a wall. I'm gonna overstep my boundaries and say what I'd consider being impolite/displaced and say that this kind of stubbornness might have had to do with the unfortunate situation you found yourself into not so long ago.

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faerwin wrote:

How can you have an honest discussion if you and the other person you are talking with never admit to be wrong?

If you're hoping to have an honest conversation with someone, you should be open about your mistakes. However, if the chance of that conversation happening is slim, there's no need to act rashly; you can always gush later, but you can't unsay an apology.

The typical strategy is to try to extract an apology and then use it to bury the target. There's no need to play into that.

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“A mixture of gullibility & cynicism had been an outstanding characteristic of mob mentality before it became an everyday phenomenon of masses. In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything & nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true. The mixture in itself was remarkable enough, because it spelled the end of the illusion that gullibility was a weakness of unsuspecting primitive souls and cynicism the vice of superior and refined minds.

Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness."

-Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 382

A guy advocating genocide quoting Hannah Arendt. The irony is killing me.

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She's describing you, Scrotie, Ray and the other cultists and how you've come to be.

At least we're not pro genocide lmao

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鬼殺し wrote:

He's 'good' at it because he either realised or stumbled into a truth that the so-called Mainstream Media couldn't grasp, because it's comprised of relatively well-educated people: A lot of Americans are fucking stupid. You gotta talk dumb to get through to them, and Trump is the King of Talking Dumb.

What you see as genius, I see as simply square peg, square hole. He is the man of the moment because the moment is the result of years of America getting progressively more and more stupid and complacent and ripe for wholesale exploitation and manipulation.

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Hah, you answered your own question and didn't realize it.

Mass media is making people stupid.

Need proof? We elected Obama. Twice. We elected GWBush. Twice. Almost elected Al Gore, John Kerry, John McCain, and Mitt Romney in the process.Almost elected Hillary Clinton, whose husband was elected. Twice. Not by the vaunted poplar vote, neither. never forget. With the exception of John Kerry, I wouldn't vote any of them for dog catcher. (You know Johnny boy wuvs duh wittle puppies...)

In a few weeks we will be holding another Super Bowl. Most of the country, sportsball fans or not, will be tuning in. Every two minutes or so, a break in the action will commence and the viewing public will be bombarded with slick imagery and memorable one-liners. The next day, they will begin an uptick of consumption in products, specifically those they've seen during the Super Bowl. For what is likely to go down as the most *mediocre Super Bowl ever, corporations will spend millins of dollars for 30 second commercial spots. They make their money back tenfold. (*take the under with your bookie)

Mass media isn't designed to make people smart. It's designed to make them buy stuff.

That's why there are commercials on cable news.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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MrCoo1 wrote:

I'm guessing Russia Collusion Watch ended now that it has been proven.

Not sure if joking or delusional. Sincere opinion is so rarely distinguishable from satire these days.

Was referring to this: https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-andrew-napolitano-says-mueller-revelation-evidence-collusion-1286815
I guess “proven” might be too strong of a word.

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鬼殺し wrote:

And the person who fucks up doesn't just owe themselves an apology -- they also owe themselves the decision to at least not fuck up again. Again, that you seem to have missed this is incredibly telling.

Wow. Seems, eh? Try again.