ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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Xavderion wrote:

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SnowCrash wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

Even the EU increased its pollution (while the US decreased it). Really makes you think.

Emissions by the United States grew 2.5 percent, while those of the European Union declined by just under 1 percent in 2018.

There are no numbers yet for 2018. Only "projections" based on some old numbers. So I'm talking about real numbers from 2017.

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Khoranth wrote:

Lol so you hate Trump for climate change, but give India & China a pass.

You are a true hypocrite. You've exposed yourself.

If climate change is real we should want every country to reduce pollution, not just the USA and a few other countries.


Hahaha now explain to a of us how the world will be fine, even if China, India and many other countries continue to increase pollution.

Pretty sure your a bot with some pro China agenda.

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Raycheetah wrote:

From your link:

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But the most damning thing we learned from the submission of the New York federal prosecutors was that they have evidence that Cohen's deceptive and criminal payments of hush money to women alleging to have experienced sexual intimacy with Trump before he was an active candidate were made "in coordination with and at the direction of" the president.

Anti-Trumper Napolitano can spin it any way he likes, as can the SDNY, but how does this constitute a felony? Who was being deceived? The voters? WHAT voters? It was none of their business, any more than Obama's sealed records apparently were. Private funds being used by a private citizen to shoo away the flies, nothing new for Donald trump, I am sure the record will show. Again, a mopery, and one which would have to be proven in court... IF it makes it that far. =9[.]9=

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rojimboo wrote:

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Khoranth wrote:

Lol so you hate Trump for climate change, but give India & China a pass.

You are a true hypocrite. You've exposed yourself.

If climate change is real we should want every country to reduce pollution, not just the USA and a few other countries.


Hahaha now explain to a of us how the world will be fine, even if China, India and many other countries continue to increase pollution.

Pretty sure your a bot with some pro China agenda.

I don't give China and India a pass. China has invested billions in air quality improvement programmes and thus cutting emissions. We had this conversation already regarding China and India. Both, poorer than the US by most metrics, especially per capita, are massively boosting renewables and more importantly are part of the Paris agreement.

When they start massively expanding fossil fuel usage AND walk away from the Paris agreement, then I will let slip the dogs of war.

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Khoranth wrote:

You've exposed yourself as a hypocrite, you cant unring a bell with your excuses.

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rojimboo wrote:
What people forget, is that the current emissions should be compared to the business-as-usual scenario of not doing anything, i.e. what would the emissions be like now without any houlabaloo regarding climate change? I think then it has quite dramatically decreased emissions, an argument could be made.

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China’s CO2 emissions rose in 2017, suggesting that it is still too early to say if CO2 emissions have peaked. China’s Paris Agreement commitment requires its CO2 emissions to peak by 2030. Declining emissions between 2014 and 2016 led some researchers, including the Climate Action Tracker, to postulate that the peak may have been reached. However, 2017 saw coal use increase for the first time in three years (although it remained below its 2013 peak), which, together with rising demand for oil and gas, drove CO2 emissions above 2014 levels, the previous record high.

The question is, what comes next? If the recent overall downward trend in China’s coal use continues for the next few years, it is plausible that overall CO2 emissions peaked in 2017. In this case, total Chinese GHG emissions would be likely to only show a very slight increase in the period between 2015–2030 and will essentially plateau at close to 12.0 GtCO2e/year. If, however, coal consumption does not continue to decline, and instead stalls at today’s levels, and no additional policies are introduced to limit other, non-CO2­ gases, China’s total GHG emissions could continue to rise until at least 2030.

With current policies, China is on track to meet or exceed its 2030 Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC) under the Paris Agreement. The CAT rates China’s NDC “Highly insufficient,” as it is not ambitious enough to limit warming to below 2°C, let alone limiting it to 1.5°C as required under the Paris Agreement, unless other countries make much deeper reductions and comparably greater effort.

Despite the increase in 2017 emissions, China’s top climate official, Xie Zhenhua, has announced that China met its 2020 carbon intensity target in 2017, three years ahead of schedule. CAT analysis based on official Chinese GDP data confirms this. If China maintains this intensity level (or lowers it) over the next three years, it will achieve the intensity element of its 2020 pledge. Under current policies, China is also likely to achieve its (more stringent) 2020 target to limit fossil fuels, but neither of these targets are compatible with limiting global temperature increase to 1.5°C.

On 3 September 2016, China ratified the Paris Agreement, and it has policies in place to reach its NDC goals. These policies are currently centred around the targets set in its NDC, which include a commitment to peak CO2 emissions by 2030 at the latest, lower the carbon intensity of GDP by 60%–65% below 2005 levels by 2030, increase the share of non-fossil energy carriers of the total primary energy supply to around 20% by that time, and increase its forest stock volume by 4.5 billion cubic metres, compared to 2005 levels.

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China’s National Development & Reform Commission (NDRC) has written a draft policy that would increase the renewable energy target from 20% to 35% by 2030.

For a long time, it has seemed that the Chinese 2030 renewable energy target of 20% was incredibly low given the amount of renewable energy it has been adding. For example, in 2017, China installed more than 52 gigawatts (GW) of solar, which is about as much as has been installed in the United States since … forever.

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rojimboo wrote:

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Khoranth wrote:

You've exposed yourself as a hypocrite, you cant unring a bell with your excuses.

Can you stop already with the attacks? They have no place here, and make you seem desperate.

I posted this in the climate change thread, i'll just copy pasta it.

I think you missed this point I made about China's emission reduction targets:

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rojimboo wrote:
What people forget, is that the current emissions should be compared to the business-as-usual scenario of not doing anything, i.e. what would the emissions be like now without any houlabaloo regarding climate change? I think then it has quite dramatically decreased emissions, an argument could be made.

This is a really good climate action tracker website, with documented methodology and freely accessible data used:

https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/

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China’s CO2 emissions rose in 2017, suggesting that it is still too early to say if CO2 emissions have peaked. China’s Paris Agreement commitment requires its CO2 emissions to peak by 2030. Declining emissions between 2014 and 2016 led some researchers, including the Climate Action Tracker, to postulate that the peak may have been reached. However, 2017 saw coal use increase for the first time in three years (although it remained below its 2013 peak), which, together with rising demand for oil and gas, drove CO2 emissions above 2014 levels, the previous record high.

The question is, what comes next? If the recent overall downward trend in China’s coal use continues for the next few years, it is plausible that overall CO2 emissions peaked in 2017. In this case, total Chinese GHG emissions would be likely to only show a very slight increase in the period between 2015–2030 and will essentially plateau at close to 12.0 GtCO2e/year. If, however, coal consumption does not continue to decline, and instead stalls at today’s levels, and no additional policies are introduced to limit other, non-CO2­ gases, China’s total GHG emissions could continue to rise until at least 2030.

With current policies, China is on track to meet or exceed its 2030 Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC) under the Paris Agreement. The CAT rates China’s NDC “Highly insufficient,” as it is not ambitious enough to limit warming to below 2°C, let alone limiting it to 1.5°C as required under the Paris Agreement, unless other countries make much deeper reductions and comparably greater effort.

Despite the increase in 2017 emissions, China’s top climate official, Xie Zhenhua, has announced that China met its 2020 carbon intensity target in 2017, three years ahead of schedule. CAT analysis based on official Chinese GDP data confirms this. If China maintains this intensity level (or lowers it) over the next three years, it will achieve the intensity element of its 2020 pledge. Under current policies, China is also likely to achieve its (more stringent) 2020 target to limit fossil fuels, but neither of these targets are compatible with limiting global temperature increase to 1.5°C.

On 3 September 2016, China ratified the Paris Agreement, and it has policies in place to reach its NDC goals. These policies are currently centred around the targets set in its NDC, which include a commitment to peak CO2 emissions by 2030 at the latest, lower the carbon intensity of GDP by 60%–65% below 2005 levels by 2030, increase the share of non-fossil energy carriers of the total primary energy supply to around 20% by that time, and increase its forest stock volume by 4.5 billion cubic metres, compared to 2005 levels.

China has realised the problem of pollution, and it has a vested interest in reducing dirty coal use as it has (and especially used to have huge) problems with air quality, smog and toxic haze.

So let's not pretend China is doing this completely altruistically for the rest of the planet, or something.

None of the pledges are set in stone, and fairly recently China actually is proposing to significantly increase renewable energy:

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/27/china-proposes-75-increase-to-2030-renewable-energy-target/

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China’s National Development & Reform Commission (NDRC) has written a draft policy that would increase the renewable energy target from 20% to 35% by 2030.

For a long time, it has seemed that the Chinese 2030 renewable energy target of 20% was incredibly low given the amount of renewable energy it has been adding. For example, in 2017, China installed more than 52 gigawatts (GW) of solar, which is about as much as has been installed in the United States since … forever.

It's all encouraging, but more could and should be done.

What I find really funny, is that this is usually used as an excuse not to reduce emissions at all :)

"Look at the world in 2018, the Paris agreement is weak and doesn't go far enough! It clearly doesn't work, so let's just not reduce any emissions!"

These things take time, and are merely a first step. Doing something (and actually doing a lot when it comes to China and the EU), is still better than doing nothing or making it a hell of a lot worse.

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Khoranth wrote:

China says what?

To summarize: your position is: USA leaves Paris accord, reduces pollution, and youre mad and hate Trump. Yet China is in Paris deal, gets to be exempt from whatever rules they want, increases pollution, and you support them. You quote longwinded Pro-China nonsense articles.


HAHAHAAHAHA no ones stupid enough to fall for this double think idiocy.

Im beginning to think you are a new persona of that troll who used to make all the posts about evolution isnt real, big bang isnt real ect.

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Xavderion wrote:

The world is doomed because of climate change but China is allowed to increase CO2 output until 2030. Imagine believing in both of these statements simultaneously.