[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

After having tinkered again in PoB, by incorporating Advancing Fortress and a single Reckless Defence jewel in the build, I ended up at 71% Block/67% Spell Block, which you could push up to 75% Block/75% Spell Block with Rumi's Concoction.

You can easily pick up a fifth jewel socket with the 3.1 tree. This also leaves you with 4 jewel sockets with which to pick up additional Dexterity, increased life, minion damage, minion life and what have you.

It seems like this would entail the least sacrifice to the build's capabilities.


Here's the results of my latest tinkering

https://pastebin.com/q8kCg9MY
Last edited by Generic_PC#7793 on Mar 1, 2018, 6:08:32 PM
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Generic_PC wrote:
After having tinkered again in PoB, by incorporating Advancing Fortress and a single Reckless Defence jewel in the build, I ended up at 71% Block/67% Spell Block, which you could push up to 75% Block/75% Spell Block with Rumi's Concoction.

You can easily pick up a fifth jewel socket with the 3.1 tree. This also leaves you with 4 jewel sockets with which to pick up additional Dexterity, increased life, minion damage, minion life and what have you.

It seems like it'd work well on paper.

Here's the results of my latest tinkering

https://pastebin.com/q8kCg9MY


I think another reckless defence would be better than taking a flask slot with rumi that would probably not have 100% uptime on endgame bosses anyway, and the additional jewel would place you to 75/75 too. Or are your other slots occupied by anima stone and primordials? In that case rumi might be better than investing 3 passive points, though it's at least debatable.
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Wyrade wrote:
I think another reckless defence would be better than taking a flask slot with rumi that would probably not have 100% uptime on endgame bosses anyway, and the additional jewel would place you to 75/75 too. Or are your other slots occupied by anima stone and primordials? In that case rumi might be better than investing 3 passive points, though it's at least debatable.


You're right in stating that 100% flask uptime on bosses is far from guaranteed, which is why I stated that you COULD use a Rumi's to push it up to the maximum. 71% Block/67% Spell Block is already close enough to the build's original capabilities (70% Block/69% Spell Block).

Of course, I still took your suggestion to add a second Reckless Defence jewel into account and ended up with 74% Block/75% Spell Block, so it does work better than my fix.

At that point though, it's more a matter of striking a balance between getting a fourth rare jewel and the loss of block chance, which comes down to individual preference.
Last edited by Generic_PC#7793 on Mar 1, 2018, 6:28:22 PM
Hi, I would like to thank for the build, thanks to it I was able to do for the first time all the heads of the end of the game and I will create it again in the new season.
dead shaper link :)
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thanks!
Last edited by karoIine#4973 on Mar 1, 2018, 6:57:12 PM
One suggestion (assuming it's not buried in the massive number of posts here!) for the AG.

Southbound gloves provide up to 16% increased maximum life. I use it on mine. Good for survivability.
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Generic_PC wrote:

https://pastebin.com/q8kCg9MY

Are u planning to run pure 4 TVs and 1 stone golem to clear even trash content on maps? Also what about AG?

Btw, can smn explain does it good to use skill tree with some ES passives and using Spirit offering instead of bone? Seen some videos and its looked not so bad. Smn even told SO > BO and gives more survability even after the nerf of Mistress of Sacrifice.
Last edited by omgree#6588 on Mar 1, 2018, 8:38:25 PM
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omgree wrote:
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Generic_PC wrote:

https://pastebin.com/q8kCg9MY

Are u planning to run pure 4 TVs and 1 stone golem to clear even trash content on maps? Also what about AG?

Btw, can smn explain does it good to use skill tree with some ES passives and using Spirit offering instead of bone? Seen some videos and its looked not so bad. Smn even told SO > BO and gives more survability even after the nerf of Mistress of Sacrifice.


I think it sort of comes down to avoiding damage altogether (through blocking) rather than out regening it.
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vileArchon wrote:
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omgree wrote:
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Generic_PC wrote:

https://pastebin.com/q8kCg9MY

Are u planning to run pure 4 TVs and 1 stone golem to clear even trash content on maps? Also what about AG?

Btw, can smn explain does it good to use skill tree with some ES passives and using Spirit offering instead of bone? Seen some videos and its looked not so bad. Smn even told SO > BO and gives more survability even after the nerf of Mistress of Sacrifice.


I think it sort of comes down to avoiding damage altogether (through blocking) rather than out regening it.
Both of these are viable. High block avoids the damage entirely. SO with the right setup can outregen the damage you take through your ES - however, it won't help with large Chaos damage hits, so there are certain maps / boss combinations that you will need to be really careful around.
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Thauma wrote:
One suggestion (assuming it's not buried in the massive number of posts here!) for the AG.

Southbound gloves provide up to 16% increased maximum life. I use it on mine. Good for survivability.
Correct. Although the debate on whether rare gloves with resists and life end up being more effective isn't decided. :) Not terrible math to figure out, I just don't think anyone has bothered. Bottom line is either setup with minion life / fortify / empower will likely make for an immortal AG.
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Wyrade wrote:
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Demianime wrote:
now that the patch notes are out, i would like to know if
a) this guide gets updated (maybe even before the actual season starts)
b) according to the new patch, does this build got buffed, nerfed or not really touched?


The next season will be my first season in POE and i want to plan ahead asmuch as possible

I have no personal experience with the build, but:
- Wickerman got nerfed in 3.1, so that's supposedly not useful to have anymore
-> you can either shift to full solar guard spectres, 2/2 solar guard and tukohama vanguard, or 4 tukohama plus clearing with something else, like flame golems in a hungry loop with anima stone and primordial might + 2 harmony jewels so you can summon 3 of them. Supposedly that's not fast enough still, but adding skeleton mages is not very feasible if you still want to have high life and block. There might be other possibilities.
- block you get from bone offering got halved, so you should get back to 70/70 + block somehow. The possible ways are written at the start of the guide, but afaik main ones include advancing fortress + block passive nodes OR 4 reckless defence jewels + block nodes OR rumi's concoction (possibly two for uptime).

Based on that I would say the "build" got nerfed (though there were some buff parts), but the basics of it are still very usable, and necro is still powerful and viable.
For someone who hasn't played the build, you're dead on.

The only thing I'd add is the option of dropping block entirely.

Probably not a great plan in Hardcore, but in Softcore you could run Necromantic Aegis from the tree and combine that with a couple different shields... Tukohama's Fortress, Midnight Bargain, and drop one gem in your Spectre 6L for Increased Duration should give you 5 Tukohamas Vanguards casting 10 totems. Damage would be pretty crazy, and you'd survive mostly by killing anything before it has a chance to land a hit.

Or, you could run Necromatic Aegis, Victario's Charity, and Solar Guard spectres. This would clear content so damn fast you'd only have to worry about very high tier red map bosses - and would probably be safer than the first option due to SGs targeting range.

There's a LOT of flexibility in this build. We're going to demonstrate that in the first few days of the league, I suspect.
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