[3.14] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, ✔️All Bosses Down, ✔️Necro, ✔️Elementalist

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Uber Atizi should be done only with extremely well level and geared Necromancer / Golemancer. Use same advices as with normal "Atziri" fight, but don't take Animate Guardian to fight even if it's max leveled.


What are you using instead of Animate guardian in theses situations? :)
So in order to save time and just test things out I took my skele mage build from this guide

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1959018/page/1

and swapped over to the golem build

I spent about 600c to get a 6L loyal (2R2G2B) cheaper
all of the unqiues
one anima
1 primoridal
2 harmonys
2 rare jewels miniondmg/res

my tree

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAMDAAQHBLMI9A3iFCAVJxZvFy8YVhhdGjgabBzcHRQfGCL0JKonLyj6Kpgy0TWSNuk6WDrhPC09_EGHRUdFnUeFSI5JT0yzTblN41BHUftTUlSuVcZYY1nzWpFfP2ZUZp5nm2h0aPJqQ2qsa9tsC20Zcg99GH3SgseDX4PMg9uFMoVgiECMsYzPjxqPRpAzkFWTJ5Rvly2YrZrgm4qboaEvogCmV6aspwiofarErJit8a4-tz64k7yqvOq-T76Kv5fAZsauyT3MvM0W0B_T-9i92QvaYtrd34rjauRR6-7sg-yK7w7v6_Af8h7yRfZI99f56PqA-tL-Cv6P?accountName=raniva&characterName=RichGetRicher

ive got a 19/20 golem with empower 3

Do the last few golem level make a big difference? Also does the last link color (im using green culling cheaper to test) make a huge dmg difference? I am finding its not even close to my skele mage damage build. I was testing in T13-15 didnt have much problem but the boss damage just wasnt there.

What are your thoughts on using double clayshapers instead of the block to get more damage. And just spmmaing harmonies for damaage rather than use rare jewels.


Yes I am aware that im using a diff build to test out golems!
Last edited by raniva#6641 on Sep 9, 2017, 5:19:10 AM
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hanz667 wrote:
Thx for the quick response. I set my characters to public so you can have look at my GrundelGaukelei.
I hope you have some advices for me to improve my gear.

Thx alot


Hey :)

Ill make some kind of list what you can improve :
- Ball lightning is level 20 for no reason. You can use level 1 as well as it costs less mana.
- Second CWDT link has all gems as level 20 for no benefit. I recommend keeping them at level :

CWDT (lvl 1) -> Tempest Shield (lvl 1) -> Desecrate (lvl 1) -> Phase Run (lvl 3)

This way cwdt level 1 won't trigger same time with Bone Offers CWDT which is level 20. Also link Phase Run to bottom-left gem socket in gloves as it has to be last gem in CWDT links. Any spell cast after it will cancel Phase Run.

- Try to get quality on Blasphemy and Temp Chains, both boost Temp Chains effect hugely
- Belt and rings could use major ES / HP boost. You can drop minion speed from rings temporarily and get huge boost on EHP by just taking as much HP and ES as possible on them.
- I would buy level 21/0 as soon as possible. Without quality it costs very little and quality is not that important.


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Sorry for the noob-ish questiion, but how do you get the golems to stay close to you without using convocation? Sometimes my golems get stuck on doorways and stuff


Hey :)

With very high level Temp Chains and working Cast When Damage Taken Links I can just run through packs. Golems will teleport after me and clear room. You can check this in my Breach videos.

It sounds pretty risky, but Temp Chains is so strong that I get barely any hits as I run through huge packs of enemies.


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Uber Atizi should be done only with extremely well level and geared Necromancer / Golemancer. Use same advices as with normal "Atziri" fight, but don't take Animate Guardian to fight even if it's max leveled.



What are you using instead of Animate guardian in theses situations? :)


Hello!

i just don't summon AG out when I'm doing Uber Atziri. Maybe I could swap Vaal Discipline and some red gems instead, but Uber Atziri is very much kite boss. If you get caught in any of the big damage hits, no skill can save you. If you move good enough and avoid big hits, you take barely any damage and don't need skills or flasks.


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So in order to save time and just test things out I took my skele mage build from this guide

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1959018/page/1

and swapped over to the golem build

I spent about 600c to get a 6L loyal (2R2G2B) cheaper
all of the unqiues
one anima
1 primoridal
2 harmonys
2 rare jewels miniondmg/res

my tree

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAMDAAQHBLMI9A3iFCAVJxZvFy8YVhhdGjgabBzcHRQfGCL0JKonLyj6Kpgy0TWSNuk6WDrhPC09_EGHRUdFnUeFSI5JT0yzTblN41BHUftTUlSuVcZYY1nzWpFfP2ZUZp5nm2h0aPJqQ2qsa9tsC20Zcg99GH3SgseDX4PMg9uFMoVgiECMsYzPjxqPRpAzkFWTJ5Rvly2YrZrgm4qboaEvogCmV6aspwiofarErJit8a4-tz64k7yqvOq-T76Kv5fAZsauyT3MvM0W0B_T-9i92QvaYtrd34rjauRR6-7sg-yK7w7v6_Af8h7yRfZI99f56PqA-tL-Cv6P?accountName=raniva&characterName=RichGetRicher

ive got a 19/20 golem with empower 3

Do the last few golem level make a big difference? Also does the last link color (im using green culling cheaper to test) make a huge dmg difference? I am finding its not even close to my skele mage damage build. I was testing in T13-15 didnt have much problem but the boss damage just wasnt there.

What are your thoughts on using double clayshapers instead of the block to get more damage. And just spmmaing harmonies for damaage rather than use rare jewels.


Yes I am aware that im using a diff build to test out golems!


Hey!

Each level to Golems gives about 10% MORE damage and hp compared to last level. So each level gives stronger benefit compared to earlier level as 10% is slowly cumulative. Golems level is the best boost to Golems damage and also survival as they will be literally tanks in level 26 and over.

Losing 1 color is at least 20% of total damage lost.

Your tree is very different form mine, You are losing Necro Aegis which is huge damage node for Golems. Your tree looks more like tanky life tree than Golems tree. You also missing lots of jewels with that tree.

Double Clayshaper gives very little damage boost over Necro Aegis and the charges. The charges are just extremely strong with minions.

I think that testing the build with such different skill tree and gear is impossible. The pieces just have to be together to work in harmony. You can see how the build works best from my Breach videos or I can show you how it works in standard if you got char there. PM me when you see me online and want a short demo in std ;)

I like the Skeletons also and actually have almost perfect 6-link Queens Escape in my alt char. Just spamming skeletons all map long felt clunky.
[3.12] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, All Bosses Down, Necro, Elementalist
https://tinyurl.com/y8k9fa2f
Last edited by mika2salo#7776 on Sep 9, 2017, 5:45:20 AM
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raniva wrote:
So in order to save time and just test things out I took my skele mage build from this guide

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1959018/page/1

and swapped over to the golem build

I spent about 600c to get a 6L loyal (2R2G2B) cheaper
all of the unqiues
one anima
1 primoridal
2 harmonys
2 rare jewels miniondmg/res

my tree

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAMDAAQHBLMI9A3iFCAVJxZvFy8YVhhdGjgabBzcHRQfGCL0JKonLyj6Kpgy0TWSNuk6WDrhPC09_EGHRUdFnUeFSI5JT0yzTblN41BHUftTUlSuVcZYY1nzWpFfP2ZUZp5nm2h0aPJqQ2qsa9tsC20Zcg99GH3SgseDX4PMg9uFMoVgiECMsYzPjxqPRpAzkFWTJ5Rvly2YrZrgm4qboaEvogCmV6aspwiofarErJit8a4-tz64k7yqvOq-T76Kv5fAZsauyT3MvM0W0B_T-9i92QvaYtrd34rjauRR6-7sg-yK7w7v6_Af8h7yRfZI99f56PqA-tL-Cv6P?accountName=raniva&characterName=RichGetRicher

ive got a 19/20 golem with empower 3

Do the last few golem level make a big difference? Also does the last link color (im using green culling cheaper to test) make a huge dmg difference? I am finding its not even close to my skele mage damage build. I was testing in T13-15 didnt have much problem but the boss damage just wasnt there.

What are your thoughts on using double clayshapers instead of the block to get more damage. And just spmmaing harmonies for damaage rather than use rare jewels.


Yes I am aware that im using a diff build to test out golems!


I'm using level 24 Golems, and I literally run past everything in tier:14+ and it just dies.
I use two quicksilver's when I'm mapping. Just to keep moving as they're killing.

If you don't want to completely change your tree here is a way to get an extra socket.
-> http://prntscr.com/gizkvj (If you actually want to feel the most damage; you'd have to look at the tree in the guide and change more.)

Right now you're missing at least 3 sockets. For Minions that's a lot of damage.

I believe he answered someone earlier with similar socket's, and said two green is about 20% damage loss. Not the end of the world though.

You can look at my profile for jewels. You only use two rare jewels for minion resistance, then you pretty much do spam harmonies.

Shield is quite important, and there's already plenty of damage. Double Clayshaper is not needed.
The default shield he recommends adds a lot of damage already.

Hope your testing goes well.

-Wonderful
Twitch.tv/Wonderful247
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Timmeh519 wrote:
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raniva wrote:
So in order to save time and just test things out I took my skele mage build from this guide

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1959018/page/1

and swapped over to the golem build

I spent about 600c to get a 6L loyal (2R2G2B) cheaper
all of the unqiues
one anima
1 primoridal
2 harmonys
2 rare jewels miniondmg/res

my tree

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAMDAAQHBLMI9A3iFCAVJxZvFy8YVhhdGjgabBzcHRQfGCL0JKonLyj6Kpgy0TWSNuk6WDrhPC09_EGHRUdFnUeFSI5JT0yzTblN41BHUftTUlSuVcZYY1nzWpFfP2ZUZp5nm2h0aPJqQ2qsa9tsC20Zcg99GH3SgseDX4PMg9uFMoVgiECMsYzPjxqPRpAzkFWTJ5Rvly2YrZrgm4qboaEvogCmV6aspwiofarErJit8a4-tz64k7yqvOq-T76Kv5fAZsauyT3MvM0W0B_T-9i92QvaYtrd34rjauRR6-7sg-yK7w7v6_Af8h7yRfZI99f56PqA-tL-Cv6P?accountName=raniva&characterName=RichGetRicher

ive got a 19/20 golem with empower 3

Do the last few golem level make a big difference? Also does the last link color (im using green culling cheaper to test) make a huge dmg difference? I am finding its not even close to my skele mage damage build. I was testing in T13-15 didnt have much problem but the boss damage just wasnt there.

What are your thoughts on using double clayshapers instead of the block to get more damage. And just spmmaing harmonies for damaage rather than use rare jewels.


Yes I am aware that im using a diff build to test out golems!


I'm using level 24 Golems, and I literally run past everything in tier:14+ and it just dies.
I use two quicksilver's when I'm mapping. Just to keep moving as they're killing.

If you don't want to completely change your tree here is a way to get an extra socket.
-> http://prntscr.com/gizkvj (If you actually want to feel the most damage; you'd have to look at the tree in the guide and change more.)

Right now you're missing at least 3 sockets. For Minions that's a lot of damage.

I believe he answered someone earlier with similar socket's, and said two green is about 20% damage loss. Not the end of the world though.

You can look at my profile for jewels. You only use two rare jewels for minion resistance, then you pretty much do spam harmonies.

Shield is quite important, and there's already plenty of damage. Double Clayshaper is not needed.
The default shield he recommends adds a lot of damage already.

Hope your testing goes well.

-Wonderful


Thanks appreciate the quick response. I think its just a matter of me not willing to give up my skeleton build (spent quite a bit of C on jewels 6L etc). Maybe after I full level the gems and get a bunch more currency I can commit to the full Life to ES gear change along with the build passive resets.

From my testing the trash mobs melt but the bosses tend to take a long time (im assuming the things you discussed will likely remedy this solution). Do you think you are burning through bosses / guardians?
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raniva wrote:
Thanks appreciate the quick response. I think its just a matter of me not willing to give up my skeleton build (spent quite a bit of C on jewels 6L etc). Maybe after I full level the gems and get a bunch more currency I can commit to the full Life to ES gear change along with the build passive resets.

From my testing the trash mobs melt but the bosses tend to take a long time (im assuming the things you discussed will likely remedy this solution). Do you think you are burning through bosses / guardians?


Yeah I killed Shaper with level 21 Flame Golems. Guardians are a joke. xD

There's plenty of damage for sure. I was looking into skele mages; looks fun.

Just got more interested in this.

(Sorry to get more to the point; you can burn bosses pretty quick.) xD

-Wonderful
Twitch.tv/Wonderful247
Last edited by Timmeh519#6462 on Sep 9, 2017, 6:29:04 AM
anyone got the enchantment for vertex

Vertex mask

Flame golem increased damage

or

Temporal chain cursed effect

done a lot of uber with twice enchanted but no luck ....
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Hey Mika.
Just wanted to say thank you. Level 80 (started 4 days before) and really enjoying it.
Maybe I will go for shaper for the first time in my life with this :D.
Maybe strange question for you all guys, but: Still play PoE for over a year, but never reached below lvl 87 so i never got any lvl 20 gem :D

Anyway: I am curious about reach lvl 21 for flame golems (don't have a golemancer this season yet as of not enough currency yet, prefer to start golemancer early on and avoid using spectres):

If i understand it right, i level a gem to level 20 and vaal 'em to hopefully get lvl 21 ... but: how can i increase the quality afterwards? If i will have to increase quality before vaal em it will cost way to much imho. Or is that not so important? I mean the quality means more life/damage for golems ... seems pretty important.

Hopefully someone can gimme a hint :)

Thx in advance
In the tree of talents, the +1 curse is taken. Which is better to use and how? Flammabilites+ Blasphemy Support+temp chain?
Last edited by Apostalig123#6087 on Sep 9, 2017, 10:30:59 AM

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