[3.14] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, ✔️All Bosses Down, ✔️Necro, ✔️Elementalist

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mika2salo wrote:

Hello :)

Golems are enough to clear incursions to very high tier alone. I usually run into the rooms with movement flask, take one smaller hit and all minions teleport next to me wiping whole room clear. It's bit risky but i have usually lots of time left after full clear.

This league Solar Guards are very viable as its more focused about clearing packs of mid-tier mobs rather than strong solo enemies. very nice combo would be :

Armor : Golems -> Empower -> GMP -> Minion Damage -> Echo -> Combustion(for -20% fire ress and ignite)

Helmet : Solar Guards -> Cont Dest -> Echo > Minion res -> Minion Damage(Helmet) -> Conc Effect(Helmet) -> Immolation(Helmet)

Immolation becomes good as Golems have 50%+35% chance to ignite enemies and apply -20% fire res debuff. Now Immolate will add 7th link extra damage to SGs.

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tomatopotato wrote:

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mika2salo wrote:

I tested some of you older boss kill setups and wasn't very impressed with guardians that moved alot, stationary bosses died very fast though. I tried clear version briefly but Lightning Golems felt slower. Lightning Golems are next best Golems, very close to Flame Golems but when you have to setup them either for boss killing to get faster boss kill time or clear setup to get near Flame Golem clear time and losing boss kill, it really feels like they are missing a role unless talking about very fast stationary boss kill setup.

Perhaps you misread what I wrote. Using similar mapping setups, Lightning and Flame are basically the same for both clearspeed and bossing. I provided a video clearpeed comparison earlier. Now here's a bossing comparison vs. Minotaur:

Flame: video
~29 second kill

Lightning: video
~25 second kill

I can produce the same results for every single Guardian. Note, Flame had the advantage with a +2 SOTL, while Lightning had +1. I didn't count Bone Offering setup time for Flame either.

Also if I recall correctly, you said you tested with a Tabula, using your Necro tree and mostly Necro gem-links. That's not a legit test.

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New bosses are more stationary which has increased Lighting Golems effectiveness and I'm happy that we have at least 2x useful Golems now. I'm just having hard time figuring best color combo between clear-speed <-> boss kill 6-link. for clear-speed GMP is pretty much needed and theres not really any green gem that that boost lightning orbs damage?

This stationary vs. non-stationary boss thing is an non-issue. I'm confused why you bring this up, considering that storm orbs and TV spectre totems basically have the same range. Do you think Flame+TVs are also less effective against moving bosses?

Repeating to make sure I'm not misunderstood: You don't have to change setups to kill bosses with Lightning at the same speed as Flame. I only do it because I like bossing and I play HC (no logout macro), so it's actually worth my time to optimize as much as possible. Again:

GMP-Link Mapping
Flame and Lightning = similar speed

GMP-Link Bossing
Flame and Lightning = similar speed

Boss-Optimized Link
To be honest, I'm not sure anymore. My guess is Lightning is still slightly ahead here, since there's no need to manage Magma Ball positioning. I've been meaning to try Flame with a single-target setup for a while, but just haven't gotten around to it. I might try later today and post results with FG-MinionDmg-Echo-Controlled-EleFocus-Combustion.

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Damage is pretty close in the videos but now adding Combustion to Flame Golems lowers fire res -20% for TV specs damage. This is major buff in damage and is especially visible with Necromancer. Elementalist should also do significantly more damage now with TV specs.

20% is not a major buff (effectively only like a 15% More multiplier after you factor EE, curses, and inherent TV debuff).

As Golementalist, it's even less significant since your TV specs do about 30% DPS of legit Necro Spectres at best. With Combusion defuff, that 30% becomes... ~35%? Even worse if you're only running 2-3 specs.

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TV specs can also be used with chance taunt gem as they actually hit. I think only Stone and Ice Golems have useful melee attacks and 2x golems hit lot less than 3-4x TVs + AG. I have been recently testing taunt and have been pretty impressed how well it works.

Going to assume you meant Abyss Jewel, not gem. Chance to Taunt is a placebo imo. Even in the best case scenario, you'd only have 16% total chance in the double-Abyss socket belt (unless you're willing to sacrifice more DPS/Harmony in your tree. On top of that, endgame bosses basically ignore it. If Taunt is that important to you, a 1-link Decoy Totem would probably be more effective.

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kayella wrote:

I've been toying around with a tree like this: 14 sockets at 90, watcher's eye ES regen, 8 harmonies and 2 eminence. I figured the 60% increased buffs from golems can add some qol to regen (stone golem). Alhough, it would be simple to just socket two more harmonies if stacking enough golem cast speed.

https://pastebin.com/XmP7jBKG.

Although it uses some items that don't appear on the market often, it seems interesting. Looks like you still have room on your tree to grab Quick Recovery and Growth and Decay if you want to go hard on the regen route. I do tend to grab ZO on my trees after picking up Shav's, but I've never focused on regen this much. That said, I've seen it work for others: https://youtu.be/Uo8LdgwEtHU

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I also had an idea of using increased duration + raise spectre (in elder helmet for minion life), and grabbing Undying Evangelist for their proximity shield.

Would definitely be interested in seeing this. Laugh in the face of tentacle slams.

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Also dropping the dual curse because of the 80% reduced effectiveness. Maybe even dropping curse entirely since Combustion comes with a nice -19% res.

Dropping curses and using Combustion seems like apples to oranges to me. It would definitely give you room to toss in Kaom's Roots though if you wanted to.

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Thanks Mika for that info on those two ascendencies. Just one more question - I saw that phoenix youtube video just now - would I be right in assuming that the %taunt wouldn't work for golems? I am assuming most of their "attacks" are spells rather than actual attacks?

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Thx for the response Mika.

I plan on using golems as my MF character so only need it to clear yellow maps. I have a LL PP VD for anything tougher. I hadn't considered combustion in there. I think I run: Flame Golem, GMP, Spell Echo, Minion Damage, Controlled Destruction + Item Rarity. No empower as no hard content and I've never had a 20/20 flame golem die in a yellow map. I am also running both flammabilioty and ele weakness curse on hit so do you think the 19% extra pen from combustion is still worth losing controlled destruction?

Going to attempt to go CI but will only have around 5k ES so that may not be viable. I am hoping with temp chains I will just be able to survive plus with a maxed out decoy totem I may not get hit too much anyway. Tried out a single incursion so far with 4 flame golems as I am still leveling. They did ok. Still shoot rather slowly atm but I have a lot of jewels still to get plus the minion damage clusters. Hopefully they'll get back to how I am used to as I level up some more.

Just thought it was weird that in leagues gone past I would be paying ~3ex per Might and this league they were under 30c. Same with Harmonies; usually 20c+ and now 3c for a "good" jewel.

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3B2R1G skin of the loyal is very expensive - Is there a cheaper alternative for golem gem colors?

Also, a different question - at what level can I actually transition into golems? I reached maps now but I'm very far from all the stuff you're listing as preparation.

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I got these two this league. Thought you all might find them interesting :D (Not for sale btw, I am using them myself with this build).